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We understand the color blue by forming an association in our mind between objects we see and people saying "that's blue". This association is refined over time so that we understand precisely what about the object is blue and what about the object is unrelated to color. In other words, we cross-correlate to other things that are blue, and refine the correlations to include only color.

So there is not really any such idea as "blue" stored in our memory as a simple datum like on a computer. It's a nest - a complex of interconnected memories.

If we ever were to convey images from one mind to another, they would either need to include such nests, or, more likely, attach to the nests we already have. In either case, they aren't really showing you how someone else perceives blue. There're really only replicating a thought process that concludes something is blue.
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This thread reminds me of... marijuana.
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wayfriend wrote:We understand the color blue by forming an association in our mind between objects we see and people saying "that's blue". This association is refined over time so that we understand precisely what about the object is blue and what about the object is unrelated to color. In other words, we cross-correlate to other things that are blue, and refine the correlations to include only color.

So there is not really any such idea as "blue" stored in our memory as a simple datum like on a computer. It's a nest - a complex of interconnected memories.

If we ever were to convey images from one mind to another, they would either need to include such nests, or, more likely, attach to the nests we already have. In either case, they aren't really showing you how someone else perceives blue. There're really only replicating a thought process that concludes something is blue.
WADR I think you are conflating percepts with semantics.
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WADR Then I have succeeded.
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