The Ritual of Desecration
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With regard to Lord Foul enacting a Ritual of Desecration it seems to me that any power not strong enough to free him wouldn't give Foul much satisfaction. He clearly likes to hear himself talk and if he kills every single person in the Land there will be no one to listen to him monologue.
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Those poor Ravers would still have to listen.aTOMiC wrote:With regard to Lord Foul enacting a Ritual of Desecration it seems to me that any power not strong enough to free him wouldn't give Foul much satisfaction. He clearly likes to hear himself talk and if he kills every single person in the Land there will be no one to listen to him monologue.
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Legends are by definition mythical and fictitious with only trace amounts of history. I've always thought the Ritual of Desecration took place in Kurash Plenethor - as Mt.Thunder still stands undesecrated. Kelenbrabanal and the Raynhyn are likely key to unravelling the mystery of the RoD.wayfriend wrote:So that's how Kevin got Foul to join him: Triple Dog Dare.In [i]The Illearth War[/i] was wrote:For it was Kevin who had summoned Lord Foul to Kiril Threndor to utter the Ritual of Desecration. The legends said that when Kevin had seen that he could not defeat the Despiser, his heart had turned black with despair. He had loved the Land too intensely to let it fall to Lord Foul. And yet he had failed; he could not preserve it. Torn by his impossible dilemma, he had been driven to dare that Ritual. He had known that the unleashing of that fell power would destroy the Lords and all their works, and ravage the Land from end to end, make it barren for generations. He had known that he would die. But he had hoped that Lord Foul would also die, that when at last life returned to the Land it would be life free of Despite. He chose to take that risk rather than permit Lord Foul's victory. Thus he dared the Despiser to join him in Kiril Threndor. He and Lord Foul spoke the Ritual, and High Lord Kevin Landwaster destroyed the Land which he loved.
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They will come to Kiril Threndor, and I will teach them things to darken their souls. It is fitting. There Kevin met and dared me in his despair. And I accepted. The fool! I could hardly speak the words for laughing.... Together we stood in Kiril Threndor, blind Kevin and I. Together we uttered the Ritual of Desecration.
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I'd take Kevin's word over Foul's, anyday.SleeplessOne wrote:They will come to Kiril Threndor, and I will teach them things to darken their souls. It is fitting. There Kevin met and dared me in his despair. And I accepted. The fool! I could hardly speak the words for laughing.... Together we stood in Kiril Threndor, blind Kevin and I. Together we uttered the Ritual of Desecration.
Add to the evidence file that the Staff of Law was found in the mountain, where Kevin would have lost it. Foul did not want to touch or wield it, as it was not something suited to his powers. Doubtful HE put it there for Drool to find.Lazy Luke wrote:I'd take Kevin's word over Foul's, anyday.SleeplessOne wrote:They will come to Kiril Threndor, and I will teach them things to darken their souls. It is fitting. There Kevin met and dared me in his despair. And I accepted. The fool! I could hardly speak the words for laughing.... Together we stood in Kiril Threndor, blind Kevin and I. Together we uttered the Ritual of Desecration.
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Of course - reverse psychology! Very clever, Bikebryan. Thanksbikebryan wrote:Add to the evidence file that the Staff of Law was found in the mountain, where Kevin would have lost it. Foul did not want to touch or wield it, as it was not something suited to his powers. Doubtful HE put it there for Drool to find.
So let me get this straight, Foul couldn't touch the Staff but was able to perform the Ritual with Kevin at Mt. Thunder.
As this is second-hand news it's obvious Foul was lying because we witnessed seeing the Ritual first hand performed by Covenant and Prothall. Which of course invokes the Fire Lions and not the Desecration of the Land.
So then Kevin didn't actually lose the Staff of Law, Elena did.
Huh?Lazy Luke wrote:Of course - reverse psychology! Very clever, Bikebryan. Thanksbikebryan wrote:Add to the evidence file that the Staff of Law was found in the mountain, where Kevin would have lost it. Foul did not want to touch or wield it, as it was not something suited to his powers. Doubtful HE put it there for Drool to find.
So let me get this straight, Foul couldn't touch the Staff but was able to perform the Ritual with Kevin at Mt. Thunder.
As this is second-hand news it's obvious Foul was lying because we witnessed seeing the Ritual first hand performed by Covenant and Prothall. Which of course invokes the Fire Lions and not the Desecration of the Land.
So then Kevin didn't actually lose the Staff of Law, Elena did.
I forget where, maybe in TPTP, but it was stated by Mhoram that Foul wouldn't use the staff as it was not suited to him. Maybe he could have wielded it, but by it's nature it would resist his every attempt to use it.
Covenant/Prothall did not initiate a RoD, nor was it his goal. He was trying to use the Staff to summon the Fire Lions, but did not have the understanding (or power?) to do so. Bannor placed TC's hands on the Staff along with Prothall, and Wild Magic enabled the summoning of the Fire Lions.
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Let's not forget Truths even he doesn't understand the true meaning of.starkllr wrote:Foul never actually lies, though. He tells half truths, truths without context, truths the hearer isn't ready for or that he knows the hearer will misinterpret. But he doesn't lie.Lazy Luke wrote:
I'd take Kevin's word over Foul's, anyday.
"A prophecy misread" seems to be standard operating procedure...
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When Covenant travelled through Trothgard his hurtloam enhanced awareness helped him to see how the new council of Lords had found a worthy way to spend their lives. Stricken Stone was all but effaced, green with healing like healthy new flesh over ancient wounds. Very few of the trees showed that their roots ran down into once-desecrated soil.
Some things need not be written in stone. I believe in what Covenant sees even when he finds it difficult to believe himself. If Foul says the Ritual of Desecration happened in Kiril Threndor and Covenant senses tell him the desecration of the Land took place in Trothgard, then I have to make a choice over what is right and what is wrong.
Some things need not be written in stone. I believe in what Covenant sees even when he finds it difficult to believe himself. If Foul says the Ritual of Desecration happened in Kiril Threndor and Covenant senses tell him the desecration of the Land took place in Trothgard, then I have to make a choice over what is right and what is wrong.
It is never hinted that TCs senses told him the RoD was done in Trothgard. Just that the soil had been really desecrated. The last battle before the RoD occurred in Trothgard. It was said to have suffered for generations afterwards from the effects of that battle and it was not until the second ward was found that the Lords began to really tackle it's healing.Lazy Luke wrote:When Covenant travelled through Trothgard his hurtloam enhanced awareness helped him to see how the new council of Lords had found a worthy way to spend their lives. Stricken Stone was all but effaced, green with healing like healthy new flesh over ancient wounds. Very few of the trees showed that their roots ran down into once-desecrated soil.
Some things need not be written in stone. I believe in what Covenant sees even when he finds it difficult to believe himself. If Foul says the Ritual of Desecration happened in Kiril Threndor and Covenant senses tell him the desecration of the Land took place in Trothgard, then I have to make a choice over what is right and what is wrong.
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Of course there are lots of hints. There are chunks of a mountain scattered all over Trothgard.bikebryan wrote:It is never hinted that TCs senses told him the RoD was done in Trothgard.
The legends say only Kevin had the power to reduce mountains to rubble - Amok hinted as much concerning the Seventh Ward.
But then I've always maintained that the Seventh Ward was a bum steer, a contingency protocol set within Amok's programming to avoid any danger of Desecration. The awakening of Loric's Krill is more likely the key to the Fourth Ward and not the location of The Blood of the Earth, which is a natural phenomena like a rainbow or thunder.
I thought it was always clear that the RoD was performed either on Kevin's Watch or in Kiril Threndor (tbh I don't remember, I'll need to re-read them soon), and that the entire Land was desecrated.
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