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Actually, you're wrong. "Illegals" do have rights. The Bill of Rights does not use the term "citizen" but rather "person/persons." It applies to all human beings (inalienable rights).
The Bill of Rights refer to the ten amendments made to the original text of the US constitution. It enumerates natural rights inherent to all human beings. These are inalienable and with no prejudice to any race, color or gender. All ten amendments use either “people” or “person” and nowhere can you find the word “citizen”.

Among the rights enumerated therein are:

religion
speech
peaceful assembly
bear arms
petition the government for a redress of grievances
protection against unreasonable searches and seizures
due process of law
trial by jury
legal counsel
https://victormalcalaw.com/do-non-citiz ... al-rights/

Yes, this applies to "illegals" too, not just other types of foreigners.

Even if the Constitution did not "give" (well it can't give if they are natural rights, can it? I digress...) rights to non-citizens, the UN certainly does. There is such a thing as international law.

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It has emerged in leaked audio that Donald Trump intentionally downplayed the risk of COVID-19 in order to "not cause panic." He admits that he knew that young people were at risk of the virus, not just old people. He knew that the fatality rate was high (~5+%), not less than 1% like some have suggested here as the "true fatality rate."

You guys need to admit that you were wrong. You were parroting what Trump said, but Trump has been revealed to have lied about the dangers of the coronavirus. It is certainly a big deal and not a hoax...

However, I doubt anyone would admit they were wrong. I fully suspect that certain people here will double down on their previous statements about the virus not being a big deal.
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Nano you missed your calling - you’d make a great lawyer - you have a good legal mind.

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Too bad that the US has half of the world's lawyers and thus a shitty legal job market. I would have to get something like a 99th percentile LSAT score so I could go to a top 5 school in order to have good employment prospects post-graduation.
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Wow 😮

Guess you could always move 😉 to more fertile ground
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Forget Law School: The US Job Market is Oversaturated with Lawyers
I wonder what this says about the amount of unnecessary litigation in this country...
sgt.null wrote:wF - citizens have rights. Illegals do not.
Saying really, really dumb things doesn't impress me as much as you think.

Trump's "ban" was intended to stop a disease from spreading. Since citizens too can spread the virus, it was not a well-planned ban, nor an effective ban. It was a sad, pathetic, and optics-oriented ban.

In fact, worrying about "citizens rights" proves beyond any doubt that the "ban" was watered down because Trump cared more about causing inconvenience and getting negative press than he did about stopping a pandemic.
ur-Nanothnir wrote:Actually, you're wrong. "Illegals" do have rights.
Correctomundo. Our conservative friends always forget that. They fight for Freedom! (offer limited to white male mono-lingual English-speaking US citizens with European ancestry under the age of 65 only; see Trump Campaign for details.)

However, let me be the first to point out that there is no such thing as a "right to return to the US in an airplane".
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And thus the difference between the left and the right. We on the right are concerned with citizens. The left believes huge for everyone. No matter their beliefs and intent. Especially today we should be embracing our heritage. 9/11 didn't topple us, but the rot from within will. The left is open in their hatred of us. And we have useful idiots in the Tank to spread the lies of the left. The left is openly burning our cities but we are told they are peaceful protesters. BLM is a hate group disguised as a civil rights group. Antifa is facist. And we have their apologists here.
It WF and Ur hate the country so much, why not move? I could care less what the UN thinks. Its being on US is an affront. Boot them out and build something useful on the land.
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Actually, I love the country a lot, as you should have been able to tell from my "Is America Great Again Yet?" thread.

Hell, I am probably more American than most of you guys here with my Anglo-Saxon ancestry and Native American admixture. My ancestors fought in the American Revolution. They weren't immigrants at all. They fucking created this country!

I am not ashamed to say that I am a nationalist with strong patriotic views. However, that also means that I must speak out when I see my country going in a bad direction, which we certainly are now because of Donald Trump.
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Ur - and yet you side with the party actively destroying our country.
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Ur - and yet you side with the party actively destroying our country.
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I don't believe your statement deserves the dignity of a real response, null.

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Ur - you are a true liberal now. Ducking questions. Congratulations.
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Well to be fair your unsupportable biases are what he is objecting to. And to be fair your persistent use of non-fact based, ludicrously sweeping generalisations are grounds for dismissal.

It is rather perplexing that you continue to choose this style of engagement
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ur-Nanothnir wrote:It has emerged in leaked audio that Donald Trump intentionally downplayed the risk of COVID-19 in order to "not cause panic." He admits that he knew that young people were at risk of the virus, not just old people. He knew that the fatality rate was high (~5+%), not less than 1% like some have suggested here as the "true fatality rate."
Current population of the United States (best estimate from Census): 329,877,505
Current number of coronoa cases in the United States: 6,486,469
Current number of deaths due to corona in the United States: 193,705

The infection rate (cases/population) is currently 1.966%
The mortality rate (death/cases) is currently 2.986%.

There is no cause for panic over corona. There never was. The only reasons to panic was so that Democrats could use the virus as a political weapon against Trump and as a way to hamstring the economy.
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Oh yes, very convenient, those pesky Dems! I was unaware they had control over the very forces of nature. You are right, we should fear them.
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Ur - Democrats control the media. Media controls the narrative.
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sgt.null wrote:Ur - Democrats control the media. Media controls the narrative.
How awful!
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sgt.null wrote:Ur - Democrats control the media. Media controls the narrative.
And who controls the Democrats?
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ur-Nanothnir wrote:
sgt.null wrote:Ur - Democrats control the media. Media controls the narrative.
And who controls the Democrats?
BLM. Antifa. Pelosi.
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sgt.null wrote:
ur-Nanothnir wrote:
sgt.null wrote:Ur - Democrats control the media. Media controls the narrative.
And who controls the Democrats?
BLM. Antifa. Pelosi.
And who controls them?
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Elvis

(Well, if we're going with conspiracy theories...)

Having said that, I think it can be safely said that the majority of mainstream US media is not right-leaning, for whatever reason.
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