Eternal Sunshine of a spotless mind
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Meh....
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After the stink I caused in here last time I said I didn't like it, I watched it again. It's not a bad movie by any stretch, I just don't see why the praise is so universally heaped on it. It's #35 on IMDB's "Top 250" list, ahead of films like Apocalypse Now, Taxi Driver, and To Kill A Mockingbird. That, in my opinion, is madness.
A good film, just not a great one to me.
A good film, just not a great one to me.
"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." - PJ O'Rourke
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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Because I'm a masochist, I watched this again.
Third time ain't the charm.
Third time ain't the charm.
"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." - PJ O'Rourke
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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I've got a bunch of issues with it, but it comes down to two major ones.
- It suffers from Tim Burton Syndrome (TBS). It calls attention to itself being weird or quirky (see also the Zooey Deschanel Postulate, The Emo Philips Corollary, and the Michael Sera Manifestation). The non-linear storytelling is fine, as are many of the visuals (the beach house disappearing is really cool). The problem is that every damn shot of the movie is trying to do something "quirky" or "artsy", and the vast majority of them do nothing but call attention to themselves.
- It's a ridiculously simple movie at it's core. Distilled to it's essence, TESotSM shouts, "love conquers all". OK, so it's got the depth of a high school girl's poetry, but again, that's fine. Plenty of movies are based on simple premises. First Blood is a cautionary tale about the importance of offering a sandwich to a stranger, Die Hard is about the importance of quality footwear....Both of those films are excellent, regardless of their simple raisons d'être(s), primarily because there's a compelling story wrapped around the message, and the message isn't so overbearing.
TESotSM's message is effectively outed in about 3 minutes in a scene between Kirsten Dunst, Tom Wilkinson, and Tom Wilkinson's character's wife, who presumably isn't actually married to Tom Wilkinson (though that would have made for an interesting twist). Seriously, the whole movie is rendered moot by that scene, and we're relegated watching the remainder of the movie wondering why we sat through the first 90 minutes of the film.
- It suffers from Tim Burton Syndrome (TBS). It calls attention to itself being weird or quirky (see also the Zooey Deschanel Postulate, The Emo Philips Corollary, and the Michael Sera Manifestation). The non-linear storytelling is fine, as are many of the visuals (the beach house disappearing is really cool). The problem is that every damn shot of the movie is trying to do something "quirky" or "artsy", and the vast majority of them do nothing but call attention to themselves.
- It's a ridiculously simple movie at it's core. Distilled to it's essence, TESotSM shouts, "love conquers all". OK, so it's got the depth of a high school girl's poetry, but again, that's fine. Plenty of movies are based on simple premises. First Blood is a cautionary tale about the importance of offering a sandwich to a stranger, Die Hard is about the importance of quality footwear....Both of those films are excellent, regardless of their simple raisons d'être(s), primarily because there's a compelling story wrapped around the message, and the message isn't so overbearing.
TESotSM's message is effectively outed in about 3 minutes in a scene between Kirsten Dunst, Tom Wilkinson, and Tom Wilkinson's character's wife, who presumably isn't actually married to Tom Wilkinson (though that would have made for an interesting twist). Seriously, the whole movie is rendered moot by that scene, and we're relegated watching the remainder of the movie wondering why we sat through the first 90 minutes of the film.
"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." - PJ O'Rourke
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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I concur--this is definitely an art student film but it was well-done and the premise is fascinating. I think, though, that the film cautions against the desire to cut out the parts of your life that you wish hadn't happened--even your bad experiences shape who you are.
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Yes. Adam Sandler tackled the same topic in Click.Hashi Lebwohl wrote:I concur--this is definitely an art student film but it was well-done and the premise is fascinating. I think, though, that the film cautions against the desire to cut out the parts of your life that you wish hadn't happened--even your bad experiences shape who you are.
"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." - PJ O'Rourke
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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This is one of my all time favorites. Message? I didn't realize people cared much about the message of movies, and certainly not mister Patrick Swayze man-crush himself. 
But since you mentioned it: I've always viewed it as an existential love story. Sure, the message is about time, and how you need to be authentic about your own past, because that's what defines you. But it's not merely a point of "being true to yourself," it's more an existential point of there is no self without a past (or even an attitude toward one's future, carried in the present). It's not just that you aren't YOU--this particular person--if you give up your memories, but rather that you're not really a person at all without them. We don't just live through time; it's not merely some unavoidable barrier that keeps us from going back to do something cool like teach Chuck Berry how to play guitar. We are fundamentally temporal beings, and our threefold perspective on time allows us to have the coherent sense of self without which we would not exist. Not only would we not have the sequential experience necessary to build up coherent identities, but we wouldn't be able to have those essentially human experiences that allow us to grow, develop, strive, etc. Hope, fear, regret, affirmation ... these are temporally focused emotions that drive us forward, informed by a constant view of the past.
But it's also about relationships, and how we build up all these wonderful memories as well as lots of emotional baggage while we're falling in and out of love ... a constant stuggle to stay aloft given the dual forces of soaring happiness and the weight of betrayal and disappointment. It's fantasy-meets-reality (hope vs disappointment). It's our necessarily temporal existence shared between two people swimming in the temporal stream. We're floating beside each other in this sea of humanity, clinging to those we can, sometimes losing our grip, and sometimes reconnecting.
And this existential condition sets the stage for some beautiful character work. Such an existence takes courage. We literally can't do anything about the basic conditions of our existence. You might as well put on your bravest face, and dive in. Make the best of it. That's the challenge that Carey's character faces: life is too scary, too painful, too risky. But this existence also takes acceptance. Winslett's character (I can remember her name: Clementine) has the opposite problem; life quickly becomes dull, boring. She needs change (hence her hair, her style) while he resists change ... again, classic temporal dilemmas. He fears change and risk, while she fears their absence. Both fears are opposite responses to the same exact phenomenon, one that is essentially temporal.
Yes, it's a gimmick. But the movie is aware of it's own forced quirkiness. I think Carey's criticism of Clementine's impulsive needs (e.g. to change her hair color) is a nod to the audience that this movie is aware of its superficial gimmicky layer--indeed, that layer is intentional. But buried in this kind of criticism are those deeper layers, which you can see in Carey's criticism of her not being ready to have a baby ... which gets to the point about change/risk: he says she's not ready because she's too impulsive, while she says he's not ready because of his reluctance to take a risk. On the one hand, these are stereotypical male/female reactions to the idea of having kids. But considered in the context of our temporal existence, it's emblematic of our two attitudes toward change, focused on the single most important issue relating to our continued existence as a race. And of course, their diametrically opposed attitudes on this issue is the beginning of the end of their relationship ... which, obviously, literally endangers our future by precluding procreation. But how we get past that dilemma is the story of humanity's continued existence. An existential love story.
But since you mentioned it: I've always viewed it as an existential love story. Sure, the message is about time, and how you need to be authentic about your own past, because that's what defines you. But it's not merely a point of "being true to yourself," it's more an existential point of there is no self without a past (or even an attitude toward one's future, carried in the present). It's not just that you aren't YOU--this particular person--if you give up your memories, but rather that you're not really a person at all without them. We don't just live through time; it's not merely some unavoidable barrier that keeps us from going back to do something cool like teach Chuck Berry how to play guitar. We are fundamentally temporal beings, and our threefold perspective on time allows us to have the coherent sense of self without which we would not exist. Not only would we not have the sequential experience necessary to build up coherent identities, but we wouldn't be able to have those essentially human experiences that allow us to grow, develop, strive, etc. Hope, fear, regret, affirmation ... these are temporally focused emotions that drive us forward, informed by a constant view of the past.
But it's also about relationships, and how we build up all these wonderful memories as well as lots of emotional baggage while we're falling in and out of love ... a constant stuggle to stay aloft given the dual forces of soaring happiness and the weight of betrayal and disappointment. It's fantasy-meets-reality (hope vs disappointment). It's our necessarily temporal existence shared between two people swimming in the temporal stream. We're floating beside each other in this sea of humanity, clinging to those we can, sometimes losing our grip, and sometimes reconnecting.
And this existential condition sets the stage for some beautiful character work. Such an existence takes courage. We literally can't do anything about the basic conditions of our existence. You might as well put on your bravest face, and dive in. Make the best of it. That's the challenge that Carey's character faces: life is too scary, too painful, too risky. But this existence also takes acceptance. Winslett's character (I can remember her name: Clementine) has the opposite problem; life quickly becomes dull, boring. She needs change (hence her hair, her style) while he resists change ... again, classic temporal dilemmas. He fears change and risk, while she fears their absence. Both fears are opposite responses to the same exact phenomenon, one that is essentially temporal.
Yes, it's a gimmick. But the movie is aware of it's own forced quirkiness. I think Carey's criticism of Clementine's impulsive needs (e.g. to change her hair color) is a nod to the audience that this movie is aware of its superficial gimmicky layer--indeed, that layer is intentional. But buried in this kind of criticism are those deeper layers, which you can see in Carey's criticism of her not being ready to have a baby ... which gets to the point about change/risk: he says she's not ready because she's too impulsive, while she says he's not ready because of his reluctance to take a risk. On the one hand, these are stereotypical male/female reactions to the idea of having kids. But considered in the context of our temporal existence, it's emblematic of our two attitudes toward change, focused on the single most important issue relating to our continued existence as a race. And of course, their diametrically opposed attitudes on this issue is the beginning of the end of their relationship ... which, obviously, literally endangers our future by precluding procreation. But how we get past that dilemma is the story of humanity's continued existence. An existential love story.
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I guess I don't see the beautiful character work. Carrey and Winslet are stereotypical caricatures for the most part. The twist here is that he wants commitment and stability, she's the wild spirit (see also Dharma & Greg).
The existential love story is distilled down to its essence in that 3 minute scene with Dunst, Wilkinson, and a woman who may or may not be Wilkinson's wife. The rest of the film is nothing more than an expansion of those 3 minutes with different characters.
The existential love story is distilled down to its essence in that 3 minute scene with Dunst, Wilkinson, and a woman who may or may not be Wilkinson's wife. The rest of the film is nothing more than an expansion of those 3 minutes with different characters.
"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." - PJ O'Rourke
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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I couldn't make it through the movie. I always thought I was the only person who didn't care for it........ever. Reading this thread I am going to try looking at it again but I am not hopeful.Cail wrote:While I have to admit that Jim Carrey was excellent in it, I don't see why so many people rate this as one of the best films ever.
Some interesting kinks to the plot, but (pardon the pun) a relatively forgettable film.
I thought Malkovich was one of the most painful filmgoing expereinces I've ever had.
Absolutely hated Being John Malkovich.
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I don't see that the two relationships can be distilled down to the same message. Not when one is about a married older man taking advantage of a young women who's infatuated with him, and the other is about two adults who are never quite compatible with each other trying to make a relationship work and finding their own flaws sabotaging it.
I don't see that Wilkinson was taking advantage of anything. She was clearly drawn to him even after the wipe. This reinforces the theme, and if anything adds some predestination nonsense, or "we're not who we are without that certain someone" stuff.I'm Murrin wrote:I don't see that the two relationships can be distilled down to the same message. Not when one is about a married older man taking advantage of a young women who's infatuated with him, and the other is about two adults who are never quite compatible with each other trying to make a relationship work and finding their own flaws sabotaging it.
Dunst was plenty happy with Bruce Banner until Wilkinson showed up. Wilkinson barely acknowledged her as she was throwing herself at him.
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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It's more of a "if you try to forget your mistakes, you're doomed to repeat them" in that case, I think.
Though I guess you're right about the taking advantage. We don't know anything about their first relationship. I think it just feels that way because the state she's in during the film makes her seem like if he responded to her then he would be taking advantage.
Though I guess you're right about the taking advantage. We don't know anything about their first relationship. I think it just feels that way because the state she's in during the film makes her seem like if he responded to her then he would be taking advantage.
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@Zarathustra, that is probably the best analysis of that movie I have ever seen. It is very telling that Joel (Carrey) is, at the end of the movie, willing to take the risk even if it might ultimately fail despite being made aware of all that happened. He is transcending himself and even though we don't get to see past that point we may guess that this gives Clementine the courage to transcend herself and it works out for the two of them. Or it may not. Either way, they need to have those experiences as you clearly stated.
It is also very telling that Wilkinson's character doesn't mind erasing other people's memories but he never deletes his own.
Dislike this movie or not, I suspect we all have things in our past that we wish had gone differently or which we could forget but which will always be with us. I got lucky, unlike a lot of people--I lost her in 1989 because I was stubborn and she thought I wouldn't understand but we found each other again in 2008 and now we both know better.
It is also very telling that Wilkinson's character doesn't mind erasing other people's memories but he never deletes his own.
Dislike this movie or not, I suspect we all have things in our past that we wish had gone differently or which we could forget but which will always be with us. I got lucky, unlike a lot of people--I lost her in 1989 because I was stubborn and she thought I wouldn't understand but we found each other again in 2008 and now we both know better.
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Eternal Sunshine of a spotless mind
Eternal Sunshine Of The Spotless Mind: has a strong romantic theme to it, but is also somewhat of a psychological thriller mixed in with a little slapstick comedy. Introverted Joel (Jim Carrey) falls in love with extroverted and partly crazy Clementine (Kate Winslet). When they go through a painful breakup 
, Clementine chooses to have all her memories of Joel erased. Joel, upset upon discovering this, decides to have his memories of Clementine erased in response, using the services of the same neurological team that worked on Clementine (Kirsten Dunst, Mark Ruffalo, Elijah Wood, and Tom Wilkinson). But partway through the procedure, Joel has a change of heart, realizing he wants to cherish the moments with Clementine despite the pain, and also because he realizes the Wood character is using lines from his old love letters to seduce Clementine. I had issues with some of the attempts at comedy, such as when the Dunst and Ruffalo characters were partying and making out on the same bed where Joel is lying unconscious with a neurological helmet on his head, and a plate of snacks laying on his stomach. Seemed very unprofessional, and I was not laughing. This movie is very adult-themed, and some cursing is involved, so not a family picture. There's an intentional surreal quality, as the viewer is often journeying through Joel's mind and background people and objects collapse into nothingness when Joel isn't focused on them. I think I need to see this movie once more to fully "get it", I suppose. But for now I CAUTIOUSLY RECOMMEND Eternal Sunshine Of The Spotless Mind, because it contains a touching celebration of the memories of romance, despite its many odd moments. You would just have to be in the mood to feel patience for all its quirkiness. I guess. Underneath it all is this really appealing vibe.
, Clementine chooses to have all her memories of Joel erased. Joel, upset upon discovering this, decides to have his memories of Clementine erased in response, using the services of the same neurological team that worked on Clementine (Kirsten Dunst, Mark Ruffalo, Elijah Wood, and Tom Wilkinson). But partway through the procedure, Joel has a change of heart, realizing he wants to cherish the moments with Clementine despite the pain, and also because he realizes the Wood character is using lines from his old love letters to seduce Clementine. I had issues with some of the attempts at comedy, such as when the Dunst and Ruffalo characters were partying and making out on the same bed where Joel is lying unconscious with a neurological helmet on his head, and a plate of snacks laying on his stomach. Seemed very unprofessional, and I was not laughing. This movie is very adult-themed, and some cursing is involved, so not a family picture. There's an intentional surreal quality, as the viewer is often journeying through Joel's mind and background people and objects collapse into nothingness when Joel isn't focused on them. I think I need to see this movie once more to fully "get it", I suppose. But for now I CAUTIOUSLY RECOMMEND Eternal Sunshine Of The Spotless Mind, because it contains a touching celebration of the memories of romance, despite its many odd moments. You would just have to be in the mood to feel patience for all its quirkiness. I guess. Underneath it all is this really appealing vibe.
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It ranks in my top ten favorite films of all time.
I like the theme of memory and destiny. And if we are doomed
To make the same mistakes over and over in life.
I enjoyed your review Cord, very thought-provoking.
I like the theme of memory and destiny. And if we are doomed
To make the same mistakes over and over in life.
I enjoyed your review Cord, very thought-provoking.
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Thank you, Sarge. Whatever complaints I had about the humor in it are merely nitpicking. I think in general this movie is both profound and positive.
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Cord - it is a movie I have watched several times. I also enjoy the soundtrack.
Jim Carrey is an actor like Robin Williams or Adam Sandler for me that I enjoyed for more in his dramatic roles. The theory being that comedians tap into a well of pain for their dramatic roles.
Jim Carrey is an actor like Robin Williams or Adam Sandler for me that I enjoyed for more in his dramatic roles. The theory being that comedians tap into a well of pain for their dramatic roles.
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