Preachy and heavy-handed.
The scene at the crash (that Luci has pictured) was quite well done, but overall I gave the film a thumbs-down.
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"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." - PJ O'Rourke
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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well what a surPRISE! hahaha!!Cail wrote:Preachy and heavy-handed.
The scene at the crash (that Luci has pictured) was quite well done, but overall I gave the film a thumbs-down.
once again you and i are on opposite sides of the fence, Cailman!! this time, however, I am right! 
you're more advanced than a cockroach,
have you ever tried explaining yourself
to one of them?
~ alan bates, the mothman prophecies
i've had this with actors before, on the set,
where they get upset about the [size of my]
trailer, and i'm always like...take my trailer,
cause... i'm from Kentucky
and that's not what we brag about.
~ george clooney, inside the actor's studio
a straight edge for legends at
the fold - searching for our
lost cities of gold. burnt tar,
gravel pits. sixteen gears switch.
Haphazard Lucy strolls by.
~ dennis r wood ~
have you ever tried explaining yourself
to one of them?
~ alan bates, the mothman prophecies
i've had this with actors before, on the set,
where they get upset about the [size of my]
trailer, and i'm always like...take my trailer,
cause... i'm from Kentucky
and that's not what we brag about.
~ george clooney, inside the actor's studio
a straight edge for legends at
the fold - searching for our
lost cities of gold. burnt tar,
gravel pits. sixteen gears switch.
Haphazard Lucy strolls by.
~ dennis r wood ~
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AGREED!! boy did he make me uncomfortable!!Fist and Faith wrote:And it's the first time since Taxi that I thought Tony Danza was better than a potted plant.
you're more advanced than a cockroach,
have you ever tried explaining yourself
to one of them?
~ alan bates, the mothman prophecies
i've had this with actors before, on the set,
where they get upset about the [size of my]
trailer, and i'm always like...take my trailer,
cause... i'm from Kentucky
and that's not what we brag about.
~ george clooney, inside the actor's studio
a straight edge for legends at
the fold - searching for our
lost cities of gold. burnt tar,
gravel pits. sixteen gears switch.
Haphazard Lucy strolls by.
~ dennis r wood ~
have you ever tried explaining yourself
to one of them?
~ alan bates, the mothman prophecies
i've had this with actors before, on the set,
where they get upset about the [size of my]
trailer, and i'm always like...take my trailer,
cause... i'm from Kentucky
and that's not what we brag about.
~ george clooney, inside the actor's studio
a straight edge for legends at
the fold - searching for our
lost cities of gold. burnt tar,
gravel pits. sixteen gears switch.
Haphazard Lucy strolls by.
~ dennis r wood ~
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Yes, he did. Actually, he was only good in Taxi because he was playing a character who wasn't very smart, or complex, or anything. Danza he can handle that. I've never felt the least bit of authenticity from any of his other performances, and I've been absolutely amazed that he gets role after role, and even a talk show! But his very brief role in Crash certainly made me feel something!
All lies and jest
Still a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest -Paul Simon
Still a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest -Paul Simon
discomfort. extreme discomfort!!
you're more advanced than a cockroach,
have you ever tried explaining yourself
to one of them?
~ alan bates, the mothman prophecies
i've had this with actors before, on the set,
where they get upset about the [size of my]
trailer, and i'm always like...take my trailer,
cause... i'm from Kentucky
and that's not what we brag about.
~ george clooney, inside the actor's studio
a straight edge for legends at
the fold - searching for our
lost cities of gold. burnt tar,
gravel pits. sixteen gears switch.
Haphazard Lucy strolls by.
~ dennis r wood ~
have you ever tried explaining yourself
to one of them?
~ alan bates, the mothman prophecies
i've had this with actors before, on the set,
where they get upset about the [size of my]
trailer, and i'm always like...take my trailer,
cause... i'm from Kentucky
and that's not what we brag about.
~ george clooney, inside the actor's studio
a straight edge for legends at
the fold - searching for our
lost cities of gold. burnt tar,
gravel pits. sixteen gears switch.
Haphazard Lucy strolls by.
~ dennis r wood ~
heh. thass what I'M talkin 'bout. yo! 
you're more advanced than a cockroach,
have you ever tried explaining yourself
to one of them?
~ alan bates, the mothman prophecies
i've had this with actors before, on the set,
where they get upset about the [size of my]
trailer, and i'm always like...take my trailer,
cause... i'm from Kentucky
and that's not what we brag about.
~ george clooney, inside the actor's studio
a straight edge for legends at
the fold - searching for our
lost cities of gold. burnt tar,
gravel pits. sixteen gears switch.
Haphazard Lucy strolls by.
~ dennis r wood ~
have you ever tried explaining yourself
to one of them?
~ alan bates, the mothman prophecies
i've had this with actors before, on the set,
where they get upset about the [size of my]
trailer, and i'm always like...take my trailer,
cause... i'm from Kentucky
and that's not what we brag about.
~ george clooney, inside the actor's studio
a straight edge for legends at
the fold - searching for our
lost cities of gold. burnt tar,
gravel pits. sixteen gears switch.
Haphazard Lucy strolls by.
~ dennis r wood ~
Finally saw this film. Very good overall. There was much that moved me. Preachy and heavy-handed? Well, maybe a bit, but not so much that it distracted me. For a real preachy and pretentious headache ---> Magnolia. It had a similar premise, in terms of coincidental events causing lives to intersect. The difference is, that film totally annoyed me with its sanctimonious air. That and the singing. Crash is free from such cloying smugness, imo. This film is everything Magnolia wasn't, and I'm thankful for it.
The atmosphere of potential violence and gun play in this movie- the sense that any one of these people could get shot at any time - was really unnerving. To add to the hurrahs, Matt Dillon was excellent.
Not sure that Crash deserved Best Picture, but it's a fine movie, so I won't dump on the Academy too much. As cinematic art, though, Crash isn't in the same class as Munich or The Constant Gardener (which wasn't even nominated).
The atmosphere of potential violence and gun play in this movie- the sense that any one of these people could get shot at any time - was really unnerving. To add to the hurrahs, Matt Dillon was excellent.
Not sure that Crash deserved Best Picture, but it's a fine movie, so I won't dump on the Academy too much. As cinematic art, though, Crash isn't in the same class as Munich or The Constant Gardener (which wasn't even nominated).
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I finally saw this on the weekend.
It was one of the most welldone movies I've seen in a long time.
It could have gone in so many other directions but didn't. Not to quote Donaldson too much; but when you look at the three kinds of characors, Victim; Villan and Hero--well just about every charactor played at least two of those roles. And I mean EVERY one, with the exception of Tony Danza and the housekeeper; although even she was victimized in a sence by BUllocks bullying towards her, and then she was still willing to console her at the end.
I like the fact that I was expecting way to people to die, given the way most movies are nowadays-especially preachy ones-but they didn't.
I'd say the only downsideof the movie was Brendan fraser, his agent must have paid somebody off, becasue he definatly didn't deserve to be in a film with actuall actors..It looked like he was reading all of his lines off of a cue card to me.
It was one of the most welldone movies I've seen in a long time.
It could have gone in so many other directions but didn't. Not to quote Donaldson too much; but when you look at the three kinds of characors, Victim; Villan and Hero--well just about every charactor played at least two of those roles. And I mean EVERY one, with the exception of Tony Danza and the housekeeper; although even she was victimized in a sence by BUllocks bullying towards her, and then she was still willing to console her at the end.
I like the fact that I was expecting way to people to die, given the way most movies are nowadays-especially preachy ones-but they didn't.
Spoiler
As soon as the locksmith gave his daughter the invisable cloak, I turned to the wife as said, "she gets shot."--Plus I was so supprised when Matt Dillan ran baack into the car.
I thought you were a ripe grape
a cabernet sauvignon
a bottle in the cellar
the kind you keep for a really long time
a cabernet sauvignon
a bottle in the cellar
the kind you keep for a really long time
i actually thought he was perfect in that yuppie politico role! there wasn't much for him to do besides being Bullock's punching bag and i like his "cool remove". if he'd HAD a scene to get angry in, i'd venture to guess he could have done it. just my opinion tho. not carved in granite.
you're more advanced than a cockroach,
have you ever tried explaining yourself
to one of them?
~ alan bates, the mothman prophecies
i've had this with actors before, on the set,
where they get upset about the [size of my]
trailer, and i'm always like...take my trailer,
cause... i'm from Kentucky
and that's not what we brag about.
~ george clooney, inside the actor's studio
a straight edge for legends at
the fold - searching for our
lost cities of gold. burnt tar,
gravel pits. sixteen gears switch.
Haphazard Lucy strolls by.
~ dennis r wood ~
have you ever tried explaining yourself
to one of them?
~ alan bates, the mothman prophecies
i've had this with actors before, on the set,
where they get upset about the [size of my]
trailer, and i'm always like...take my trailer,
cause... i'm from Kentucky
and that's not what we brag about.
~ george clooney, inside the actor's studio
a straight edge for legends at
the fold - searching for our
lost cities of gold. burnt tar,
gravel pits. sixteen gears switch.
Haphazard Lucy strolls by.
~ dennis r wood ~
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Crash written and directed Paul Haggis. Agreeing with almost all comments by Lucimay, she's right about this movie and the rest of you are just missing the bus. You'll seldom to get to see a movie more "real" than this movie. the Matt Dillon (probably one of the most underated actors around, Drugstore Cowboy and the movie he made with Deborah Winger) a guy the viewer is probably supposed to hate for the first twenty or so minutes, and then he goes and does something probably get him a valor commendation.
The movie can be thought of as eight or so character studies and a plot or narrative as such is almost non-existant, so when one thinks about or discussses the movie, it's a discussion of scenes or events. So that means it's virtually impossible to say the movie is about "X".
Seeing this movie makes me want to investigate the Series Due South a TV series from the 1990s that Paul Haggis was very involved with, and I know many fans of thies series.
If you do not think this movie is authentic, you're probably just "do not get it".
The movie can be thought of as eight or so character studies and a plot or narrative as such is almost non-existant, so when one thinks about or discussses the movie, it's a discussion of scenes or events. So that means it's virtually impossible to say the movie is about "X".
Seeing this movie makes me want to investigate the Series Due South a TV series from the 1990s that Paul Haggis was very involved with, and I know many fans of thies series.
If you do not think this movie is authentic, you're probably just "do not get it".
yeah...right on, Taras!
AND...where the hell was Thandie Newton in all the press on this film??? by GOD she was extraordinary!
i am buying this movie. i want to own it just to watch she and matt dillion again!!!
AND...where the hell was Thandie Newton in all the press on this film??? by GOD she was extraordinary!
i am buying this movie. i want to own it just to watch she and matt dillion again!!!
you're more advanced than a cockroach,
have you ever tried explaining yourself
to one of them?
~ alan bates, the mothman prophecies
i've had this with actors before, on the set,
where they get upset about the [size of my]
trailer, and i'm always like...take my trailer,
cause... i'm from Kentucky
and that's not what we brag about.
~ george clooney, inside the actor's studio
a straight edge for legends at
the fold - searching for our
lost cities of gold. burnt tar,
gravel pits. sixteen gears switch.
Haphazard Lucy strolls by.
~ dennis r wood ~
have you ever tried explaining yourself
to one of them?
~ alan bates, the mothman prophecies
i've had this with actors before, on the set,
where they get upset about the [size of my]
trailer, and i'm always like...take my trailer,
cause... i'm from Kentucky
and that's not what we brag about.
~ george clooney, inside the actor's studio
a straight edge for legends at
the fold - searching for our
lost cities of gold. burnt tar,
gravel pits. sixteen gears switch.
Haphazard Lucy strolls by.
~ dennis r wood ~
Re: Crash
Oh I got it. I got two hours of being bashed over the head with the director's/writer's message. Racism still exists, I get it.taraswizard wrote:If you do not think this movie is authentic, you're probably just "do not get it".
"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." - PJ O'Rourke
_____________
"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
_____________
"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
_____________
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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It's not that racism exists, it's a matter of how it exists. It's presented in a very real, complex way that speaks more of how we all deal with eachother than 'racism is bad, y'all.'
"It is not the literal past that rules us, save, possibly, in a biological sense. It is images of the past. Each new historical era mirrors itself in the picture and active mythology of its past or of a past borrowed from other cultures. It tests its sense of identity, of regress or new achievement against that past.”
-George Steiner
-George Steiner
See, that's the problem I had with it Syl. Whereas you saw it as real and complex, I saw it as hackneyed and contrived.
To each their own, I suppose.
To each their own, I suppose.
"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." - PJ O'Rourke
_____________
"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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When I mentioned the movie's 'authentincity'. I'll explain a little, I saw the movie as true to life. That spoke to me on so many levels, and don't identify particularly with any of the characters nor do I think anyone I know has a life particularly like those characters. (notice this message discusses characters, reinforcing my idea the movie is a character study)
