Who or what is Lord Foul's Bane?

Post by **Landwaster** » Thu Sep 18, 2003 7:58 pm

I always sort of thought it was the Land itself that was Lord Foul's Bane.

That's the thing that gave him the irrits the most. Its vitality et al.

Post by **Skyweir** » Thu Sep 18, 2003 8:28 pm

mmmm .. brilliant!! lol

.. kinda of overlooked that

lol

Post by **Ylva Kresh** » Thu Sep 18, 2003 9:52 pm

I agree with Landwaster, I have also always thought the imprisonment in the Land (according to Foamfollowers tale of the rainbow and the creators children) was Lord Fouls Bane. I do not know if it is a difference in meaning between "bane" and "curse" - please help me out here all you native English-speakers - for example the swedish translation uses a word for bane that can mean both bane and curse (spoken and recieved).

Post by **danlo** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 2:58 am

Geeze! I never get ANY credit!

I'll just hold my staff and my breath until I turn blue and blue sparks fly out of my head!

Post by **aTOMiC** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 3:04 am

Release thy pent up rage Danlo. Breathe my son. Breathe.

Post by **Fist and Faith** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 3:08 am

danlo wrote:I'll just hold my staff and my breath until I turn blue and blue sparks fly out of my head!

Sweet!!

Post by **Furls Fire** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 3:21 am

wow danlo, what a visual that was...

Actually, in the simplest terms, I still think "Lord Foul's Bane" refers to the Illearth Stone. That is what he was looking for.

Post by **Fist and Faith** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 3:25 am

I think it's a paradox.

Well, not a paradox, but, sort of in keeping with the paradox theme, I think it's meant both ways. Covenant is the bane of Foul's existence, and the Stone is the bane Foul is using.

Post by **hierachy** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 3:28 am

oh errr...(is that a pirate sound?

I agree with f&f the illearth stone is what the title refers to.

Post by **aTOMiC** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 3:30 am

Without being too much of a politician about it, the case could be made that all of the aforementioned comments could be correct. None of them are flat out wrong. I guess I feel like “Lord Foul’s Bane” is a playfully cryptic title that provokes speculation. Anyone got SRD's phone number so we can ask him straight up?

Post by **CovenantJr** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 3:40 am

Those who are attending Elohimfest can ask him

I disagree about the Illearth Stone. I don't recall that being mentioned (either at all or at least in any significant way) until TIW. LFB is primarily about Covenant and white gold - basically the introductory passage to the chronicles... So I assert again that IMO, the title of Lord Foul's Bane refers to either Covenant or the white gold or both

Post by **danlo** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 4:11 am

If I were jailed I think that my jailer might b my #1 pain. Therefore we would prob b remiss not 2 have The Creator, himself, on the bane-list...

Post by **Skyweir** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 4:16 am

clearfrontier wrote:Without being too much of a politician about it, the case could be made that all of the aforementioned comments could be correct. None of them are flat out wrong. I guess I feel like “Lord Foul’s Bane” is a playfully cryptic title that provokes speculation.

LOL clearfrontier - exactly .. lol ..

Having said that .. lol .. Cov jr. I agree - that if there is anythng more to it .. it isnt specifically the illearth stone .. cos .. that was only one of his banes that he left in the earth ..

according to the creator LF left many banes in the earth ..

and as to TC .. to me TC was a definate bane .. but not his ring .. cos Foul wanted it to serve his purposes .. so it cant really be a bane to him .. can it? he wanted it .. to liberate him from his imposed imprisonment in the Land.

and the Land could most certainly be a bane to LF .. cos he cant escape that bane ..

mmm .. but its all fun and crackers

Post by **Ylva Kresh** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 4:18 am

OK, since I missed giving Danlo credit before, I can do so now.

I think (as have been mentioned before, I know), that all "banes" can be correct indeed. The more possible banes, the better... I would love to be able to come up with such a title for a book.

Post by **Landwaster** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 4:23 am

Congratulations danlo

Post by **Skyweir** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 4:24 am

ooh yeah .. the Creator is definately and arguably the biggest of LF's banes

Post by **danlo** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 4:31 am

YEA ME!!!

WOOHOO!

cough, hack!

Post by **Furls Fire** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 4:33 am

Ah! A challenge!!

Okay, here we go...

In the message from Foul to Revelstone he says...

...You do not understand--but I tell you Drool Rockworm has the Staff and that is a cause for terror. He will be enthroned at Lord's Keep if the message fails. Already, the Cavewieghts are marching to his call; and wolves, and the ur-viles of the Demondim, answer the power of the Staff. But war is not the worst peril. Drool delves ever deeper into the dark roots of Mount Thunder--Graven Threndor, Peak of the Fire-Lions. And there are banes buried in the deeps of the Earth too potent and terrible for any mortal to control. They would make of the universe a hell forever. But such a bane Drool seeks. He searches for the Illearth Stone. If he becomes it's master, there will be woe for low and high alike until Time itself falls.

Now, we know that Drool was Foul's tool because Foul couldn't lay his hands on the staff. So, in essence it was Foul that was searching for the Stone, thru Drool. So, it was very much on his mind. That's what leads me to believe that the title refers to the Stone.

Also there is this..when they hold council to decide to retrieve the Staff..the discuss the Stone.

Osendra says to the councile:

"I have given my time to the study of Ur-Lord Covenant's tale of his journey. The presence of the white gold explains much. But still many things require thought--south-running storms, a three-winged bird, the abominable attack on the Wraiths of Andelain, the bloodying of the moon. To my mind the meaning of these things are clear."

(snip)

"Drool Rockworm has already found his bane--The Illearth Stone or some other deadly evil. With the Staff of Law he has the might to blast the seasons from their course!"

(snip)

"If judge that if Lord Foul controlled the Staff, he would not and perhpas could not do what has been done--not until we were destroyed. But if Drool still holds the Staff, then it alone does not suffice. No cavewight is large enough to perform such crimes without the power of both Staff and Stone. The Cavewights are weak-willed creatures, as you know. Thery are easily swayed, easily enslaved. And they have no heaven-challenging lore. There fore, they have always been the fodder of Lord Foul's armies.

"If I judge truly, then the Despiser himself is as much at Drool's mercy as we are. The doom of this time rides on the mad whim of a Cavewight.

"This I conclude because we have not been attacked."

I really think the title refers to the Illearth Stone. Foul coveted the Stone, he was using Drool to unearth it for him. And he succeeded.

Post by **Skyweir** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 4:40 am

mmm... excellently argued ..

following your persuasive presentation .. I concede that the illearth stone was clearly .. Lord Fouls Bane ..

and from your post .. arguably the ONLY one

many thanks Furls .. you are indeed right

Post by **Furls Fire** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 4:42 am

LOL..aren't I always

j/k

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Who or what is Lord Foul's Bane?