Pantheon 2.0 - Game Thread

[I'm Murrin]

A misunderstanding, only. The souls I receive should not suffer, whatever fate I give them.
As to my system, it is rudimentary, which is why there have been mistakes made. A soul is judged on death; if the person is good, they are rewarded with paradise. If they were evil, they are not given an afterlife at all, their souls being eliminated and the power the souls contain, rather than be wasted, is taken into myself. Thus I intend no place of suffering in the afterlife--death holds only paradise or oblivion.
The judgement of good and evil mentioned above is not done by an absolute scale, as this would be incredibly unfair. Instead, each soul is judged individually by his own values and personality.
I have tried to include many exceptions and special cases along with the above to make this system as reasonable as I can, but it is difficult to describe every aspect of this in a way that eliminates all faults. Hopefully the system will refine itself as I become more proficient in my role.

[Injerian Praetus II]

As I am only interested in the world of the material I care little for what happens to the souls of my followers.

[Simjen]

I have a feeling who the unfortunate one is. *sighs* If he is indeed my follower, allow me to explain to the others who he was and why what you ask is a bit problematic.

One of my faithful followers was attacked and martyred in Agathi by some misguided followers of Lord Adamorn's. I did not know of this dwarrow specifically before this point, but when a follower dies in such a way... it is important to honor him.

And now that I probably cannot, what should my prophet tell my people? That only a select few can be saved? The only other choice is lying, and I'm not sure a god that would do that to his followers is worthy of divinity.

Considering dying in the name of one's god is not sufficient, what choice does any mortal have that does not follow Maeror or perhaps Queeaqueg?

I understand this was not your intention, brother, and though I appreciate the offer you were under no order to make, I do think you need to do a bit better. Perhaps you can refrain from consuming any more souls of followers other than your own until you speak with that deity?

[I'm Murrin]

I was subjected to criticism when it was revealed to Eiran that I had done nothing with the souls in the afterlife. If you would have me refrain from dealing with the souls of any but my own followers, would you have me leave them as they were before, in restless wandering? Or to grant paradise to all, indiscriminately?

Understand, brother, that my own followers can also be judged unworthy.

And understand also, brother, that I am under no compulsion to preserve any of the dead in my realm. I am, in fact, refusing a source of power when I choose not to consume all.

[Simjen]

I understand, and I tried to acknowledge that. I just think it would be a good idea to hold off on consuming until you work the kinks out. Maybe holding the souls slated for consumption one turn in case one of us might want to put in a word?

I am not upset (especially considering it wasn't my follower you were speaking of). I am merely saying that things put us deities not involved in death in an uncomfortable position (with the exception of Nor Yekith, apparently). Other dieties might be a bit more upset about it, and eventually, large amounts of our followers probably will be as well.

[Bhakti]

Well, until a better system is set up, I will save as many of my followers' souls as Maeror allows. Coming up with that better system is problematic.

Is it possible that dead souls may remain followers of the same god they followed while alive? Meaning, souls of my followers may still Love, and hang out together? Not necessarily still being a source of power for me, but still able to Love? It seems likely you would still receive power from them, since they are in your realm. But I wouldn't mind getting a portion of their power if they are still worshiping me.

If not, how can I convince them to follow me at all? Even those who are strongly driven to Love will, doubtless, feel I am too weak to bother with. They will likely follow you, since you do not, to my knowledge, demand that your followers not Love.

As for how you are doing things now, how do you judge the goodness of one of my followers? By your standards, or whether they were good by mine?

[Norn]

Maeror does say that our martyrs, saints and prophets can be ours to reward after they die. Since we don't know when one of our followers will become a martyr, I believed this meant that the souls of all martyrs would be returned to us as a matter of course.

[Benito Alvarez]

Besides with Bhakti's followers going at it like Rabbits, there is a good turnover of people born to people dying. At least its a little conoslation.

[Injerian Praetus II]

Besides with Bhakti's followers going at it like Rabbits, there is a good turnover of people born to people dying. At least its a little conoslation.

I wonder when it will come about that his people become pests, given that they are breeding so fast? I hope he implements the rule of nature - survival of the fittest - or at least disallows the weak and sick to breed and pollute his population. If he needs assistance in improving his stock, Bhakti should contact me. I would be only too pleased to help.

[I'm Murrin]

Indeed, Norn. In cases such as that, where you could not have known in time to arrange it, I will endeavour to convey the soul to you anyway.

[jastrau]

You want open Nor Yekith? You’ve got open! This is a publication of private correspondence:

Your followers must leave Nor Pupae immediately. I am not acting against them, but something is about to happen that may endanger them. As such, by warning you ahead of time I cannot be held responsible for whatever happens to them. I appreciate your help in fighting the plague, and will reward you soon. But please, leave immediately.
I apologise for my candour.

Reward me with what? Plague infested rampaging Houkas? I’ll do fine
without your “reward” thanks.

A bit late for a warning, considering the turn deadline is up, don't you think?

Anyway, stop beating around the bush. If you really had appreciated my help with the plague you would have taken me up on the offer of a virtually free DRP.

So my followers are staying, and I will consider anything that happen to them an act of aggression.

And yet I have the documentation that I warned you ahead of time. It is not too late to inform the all father, is it? Consider it an act of aggression if you so desire, but I will immediately reveal that you were warned ahead of time.

Pull your followers out immediately.

Documentation you will use for what exactly?

They are not harming anyone. Not propagating, not proselytising. They are simply there to offer their assistance in fighting against the plague that you claim is causing you so much trouble. If anyone should present documentation it should be me presenting evidence, that you have ignored my irrefusible offers of help.

Jastrau

[stonemaybe]

Maeror:

Is re-incarnation not an option? Personally, I would prefer my worshippers' souls reincarnated as fishies. Of course, depending on how well they served me, that could be as sea-slug or leviathon! If this is not possible, how many souls can we 'save'?

Undine

Oh, and Bhakti:

Battles can be won with Love just as surely as they can be won by force. My money is on me, you Drip!

Fighting talk from the God of Love - how amusing!

[Injerian Praetus II]

Reward me with what? Plague infested rampaging Houkas? I’ll do fine
without your “reward” thanks.

Amusing how so many believe the Houka are plague infested. Sometime talk to Vadhaka and Undine about the Houka I sent to them. As I understand, no plagues have broken out in their lands.

If anyone should present documentation it should be me presenting evidence, that you have ignored my irrefusible offers of help.

Jastrau

As I understand it, I asked both you and Undine to help combat the plague. I also have documentation of my requests. Amusing how neither of you actually helped fight it. I recall that I did not refuse these 'drps' you speak of.

[Vadhaka]

Hail Bretheren. *bows*

Maeror, I gratefully accept your offer. I shall convey to you the particulars of those souls on whom the highest of eternal rewards will be bestowed.

However, I must request that you clarify the nature of "good" and "evil."

My own followers number thieves and assassins, murderers, not to put too fine a point on it. By coventional standards, this might be seen as somewhat evil. And yet, this is the way of the world, and sometimes, by carrying out their primary function, they do my will.

How can I reconcile to them that obeying my will is to condemn them to eternal oblivion?

I respectfully request that this be resolved as soon as possible. *bows*

As for the rest of you, certainly it seems that the Houka I have are unaffected by plague, although, in the interests of accuracy, I received them some turns before the plague began. *shrug*

[I'm Murrin]

Since you are the second person to ask that question since I answered it, I will repeat what I said:
The judgement of good and evil is not done by an absolute scale, as this would be incredibly unfair. Instead, each soul is judged individually by his own values and personality.

I want to modify that. It should be "...by his own values, in the context of his society/background."

[Vadhaka]

In that case, I believe that I have no objection whatsoever. My thanks.

*bows*

[Injerian Praetus II]

As for the rest of you, certainly it seems that the Houka I have are unaffected by plague, although, in the interests of accuracy, I received them some turns before the plague began. *shrug*

Yet, as far as I can tell, none that remain in my lands carry the plague. The plague infects the vegetation, animals and the humanoid populace, but the Houka are not carriers. I might add that they are rather clean beings.

[jastrau]

Plants and humanoids eh?

How does your food chain fare without primary producers? Or have you engineered some plague ressistant crops as well?

Are all humanoids in your lands dead?

Jastrau

[Injerian Praetus II]

Plants and humanoids eh?

How does your food chain fare without primary producers? Or have you engineered some plague ressistant crops as well?

Are all humanoids in your lands dead?

Jastrau

You could say the plague has allowed new species to flourish and weaker ones to die. There are still many humans, but I am beginning to wonder whether I can feed them as well as my magnificent Houka.

[jastrau]

As I understand it, I asked both you and Undine to help combat the plague. I also have documentation of my requests. Amusing how neither of you actually helped fight it. I recall that I did not refuse these 'drps' you speak of.

Hail Nor Yekith
I want to offer my help with curing the terrible plague in your lands. I am willing to spend a DRP and my knowledge of the land and soil in developing a cure or at least a containment for the plague.

Now I will want a little thing (not much) in return: I want your (non-drp) help with creating a crop that has a vascular cylinder in the shape of a sickle.

Yours Devinely

Jastrau

You never replied to the above. I take that as ample proof that whether or not you created the plague, you have no interest in a cure. When someone offers you a good deal you say “yes please” or “No thanks”.

Jastrau