Tan Haruchai

Yama · Post by **Yama** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 3:23 pm

I recently read the Gilden Fire, and I can't figure out what "Tan Haruchai" actually means, I know, it must be very simple, but I just am not getting it...

Any help would be nice
Thanks

Post by **Cloudberry** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 8:09 pm

This is something I've been thinking about too.

The Haruchai Vow:
"Ha-man rual tayba-sah carab ho-eeal neeta par-raoul. Tan-Haruchai."

"We are the Bloodguard, the keepers of the Vow - the keepers and the kept, sanctified beyond decline and the last evil of death. We accept."

Tan-Haruchai seem to be "we accept".

But if Tan-Haruchai means we accept then the next question is: does Haruchai mean we or accept? Accept as in accept living under very hard conditions or we as in our clan or rather our clans. But would they call themself we when the clans fought each other all the time? Maybe because they still belonged to the same race.

There are two we in the Vow but only one Tan or Haruchai... Maybe they have several different words for we... Also there are two "the keepers" but not two words that are the same. The Haruchai language must be very different from english. I wonder how much SRD have been working on the language... Perhaps he just choose words that sounded good.

Post by **Fist and Faith** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 11:46 pm

Translations are odd things, neh? When you think of them literally, they make less sense.

Haruchai accept --> We, the Haruchai, accept --> We accept

Haruchai doesn't mean we, but it makes sense to translate its usage at that moment as we.

Post by **Kinslaughterer** » Mon Oct 20, 2003 1:06 am

Maybe "Tan" is the Haruchai word for 500?

Post by **Forestal** » Mon Oct 20, 2003 1:28 am

so they say "500 accept"? possably...

i always took it as tan meant accept, but the words r the other way round.

tan - accept
haruchai - we

tan-haruchai

accept-we
we-accept

Post by **Fist and Faith** » Mon Oct 20, 2003 1:41 am

Uh, yeah, I didn't even throw that reverse-word-order in my explanation. That happens a whole lot in translations. iirc, I must have money in German is Ich muss Geld haben. (Minus the umlaut, which I don't have on my keyboard.) Which literally means I must money have.

Post by **Forestal** » Mon Oct 20, 2003 1:42 am

well thats that little mystery solved then

Post by **Landwaster** » Mon Oct 20, 2003 3:10 am

Tan Haruchai = "Signed, us lot."

Post by **Cloudberry** » Mon Oct 20, 2003 7:59 am

It makes sense. And I agree that the word order doesn't matter.

Now it's just the rest of the translation to work on...

Post by **Forestal** » Mon Oct 20, 2003 8:28 pm

i would ahve love2 have been a bloodguard... other than the high likelihood that i'd die... but the 2000 year life seems very fun... at the expence of sleep and death? great, so i wont ever get tired nemore and i wont die, unless some bloke sticks something in2 me!

Tan-Haruchai!

Post by **Fist and Faith** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 2:58 am

Some of us who feel that the passion between a man and woman is among the few greatest aspects of life - one of the things that make living worth the effort, and without which we wouldn't see a point to it all - might disagree.

We hear about how important it is to the Haruchai, and can only be astonished that they ever found something that they thought was more important. Their innocence and passion combined in a nasty way, imo.

Post by **Ylva Kresh** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 7:24 pm

I think most monks and nuns may have found something they find at least as important as the love between two mortals. Perhaps the Haruchai did so too. I just hope that a minority among the 2000 didn´t give in to peer pressure...

Post by **[Syl]** » Wed Oct 22, 2003 3:16 pm

Yama = mountain (japanese). I know, late and unrelated, but I thought some people might find it interesting.

Post by **Forestal** » Wed Oct 22, 2003 5:31 pm

heh

always trying, and succeeding to enlighten syl

Azurophyte · Post by **Azurophyte** » Tue Dec 09, 2003 12:11 am

It may not mean anything directly, Tan Haruchai. Languages dont translate word for word. Somethings dont even have meanings in different languages. Thats probably the way it is with the Haruchai tongue, as the Bloodguard still seem awkward talking the native tongue of the land, even after almost 2500 years. A very different language indeed.

Post by **Landwaster** » Tue Dec 09, 2003 12:36 am

I agree, Azuroetc, but I still reckon Tan Haruchai translates as something like 'signed, us lot'.

Post by **Reisheiruhime** » Tue Dec 09, 2003 11:43 pm

Tan Haruchai.=We accept.

Ok then. Explain me this. Korik says "Tan haruchail" to the rest of them. What the heck does that mean? "You accept?" "We all accept?" "I'm wearing a dress?" Eh, you weren't supposed to know my opinion on that.

So, Mr. Green-Pony, whatsit mean?

Post by **Landwaster** » Wed Dec 10, 2003 12:11 am

Haruchail? I dunno, maybe "youse"?

Post by **Reisheiruhime** » Wed Dec 10, 2003 12:21 am

Have you considered going to the University of Strange Desecrators?

Good point, tho.

Post by **Landwaster** » Wed Dec 10, 2003 12:25 am

I'm not a bad person, just a bad tenant

Honestly, its also of interest to me exactly how much effort SRD put into the language. It could very well be that he just plucked some letters out of a hat and stuck them together, than juggled them a little for other terms.

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