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I haven't bothered with Tarantino for a long time. For the most part, I find the films he has directed to be a little drab and, though the dialogue sounds snappy the first or second time you hear it, it soon just comes across as false.

His worst sin as a film-maker and writer is his unashamed plagiarism of other films. Whole sequences of dialogue are sometimes lifted from lesser known films, and some sequences are copied shot for shot. Resevoir Dogs is by far the biggest offender in this regard (it's a shameless rip-off of the HK film City on Fire). He's also been known to pay off his co-writers so he can get a full 'written-by' credit. He did this most famously with Roger Avery, who wrote some of the most quoted stuff from Pulp Fiction.

So, it was with some trepidation that years ago I heard he was going to make a film called The Inglorious Bastards. Although not a great film, the Italian orginal which shares the title (and such a great title it is), is a thoroughly entertaining exploitation classic. When Tarantino initially claimed he was doing a remake of the Good the Bad and the Ugly, I was suspicious he was yet again not giving adequate credit to his source material.

Years passed and he never seemed to make the film...until now, of course. After doing some reading, and hearing him come out and acknowledge the original (though claim his was going to be completely different), I was a little intrigued. After hearing that the villain in the film won a Best Actor at Cannes, I was very intrigued. I decided to go and watch it last night.

Inglorious Basterds is an excellent film. To the best of my knowledge, the film is only referential to other films, and presents a completely original script. It has essentially nothing but the WWII setting and title in common with the original. Inglorious Basterds is definitely aimed at film buffs, with constant references to early cinema and, indeed, the entire plot revolves around the concept of cinema. Although some of this dialogue could have been cut from the film (at the middle part it does tend to drag for five or ten minutes), Inglorious Basterds is the most accomplished film Tarantino has made to date.

What is very interesting about the film is that, although the characters are all quite entertaining, the are all subordinate to the story. They function mostly to explore the larger narrative, and characters who seem like they are going to be major aren't. The film is extremely unpredictable in how it treats its characters. I really liked this aspect of the movie.

The Basterds themselves are central, though they couldn't be thought of as the main characters. That role arguably goes to Shoshanna and, possibly, Colonel Hans Landa. Special mention must be given to Christoph Waltz as Colonel Landa - his performance is absolutely remarkable. Not only is the character fascinating, Waltz's performance elevates his depth and the entire movie. I'd venture to say that Waltz makes this movie in the same way that Ledger made Batman Returns.

I'd like to say more, but I really do hate telling people what's good for them. If your curious about the film, see it. If you're not, then give it some more thought.

On a related note - cinema audiences are quite strange at times. I think they were expecting the film to be a comedy. At one point, where the audience is clearly supposed to feel sorry for a stoic German soldier, and to be shocked at his rather brutal demise, the audience burst into laughter as if it was the funniest thing in the film. Odd, especially when Tarantino goes out of his way not to demonise the Germans in this film. Later on, when
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the couple next to me got up and stormed out. Were they closet fascists? :?
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I'm not a 'fan', per sey, of Tarantino, but I do like Kill Bill #1 and don't mind the rest of his stuff, so IB never really peaked my interest much...it just seemed like a fantasyWW2 version of Kill Bill. But the critics like it alot...and your review is very positive...hmm, I think I'll have to watch it.
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I'm a huge fan of Tarantino and doubt this'll be a loser. As for dry, Monstressor: well, his films are pretty much meant to be unemotional and are about being cool/aloof while playing motifs from all the movies he loves. Kill Bill is the most obvious, though it's in every film. I wouldn't say he's ripping them off myself; more like just taking their elements and making them better, giving them his own style, which I find more entertaining than many of the originals.
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Lord Foul wrote: I'm a huge fan of Tarantino and doubt this'll be a loser. As for dry, Monstressor: well, his films are pretty much meant to be unemotional and are about being cool/aloof while playing motifs from all the movies he loves.
Drab, not dry. :wink:

I think he's a better writer than he is a director. With the exception of Inglorious Basterds, all the films he directed struck me as - at times - execrably boring. At times they're the exact opposite, though. The films he wrote but didn't direct were usually better, I think.
Lord Foul wrote: I wouldn't say he's ripping them off myself; more like just taking their elements and making them better, giving them his own style, which I find more entertaining than many of the originals.
I agree that he has become someone who consciously references films within films (even his own ones at times), but I don't think that was always the case. Watch City on Fire then watch Resevoir Dogs again, it's not referential, it's plagiaristic.

But I do not deny that he is without talent. His latest film shows that he has enormous ability. It's odd though that he gets credited for inventing a kind of cinema which he was really just parodying. That's my main problem with a lot of his work, they're pastiches of better movies.

Anyway, Inglorious Basterds really is a phenomenal film, and he deserves a lot of praise for that. I'm sure you'll love it.
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Montresor wrote:
Lord Foul wrote: I'm a huge fan of Tarantino and doubt this'll be a loser. As for dry, Monstressor: well, his films are pretty much meant to be unemotional and are about being cool/aloof while playing motifs from all the movies he loves.
Drab, not dry. :wink:
I chalk that up to it being 2AM (when I wrote it). :P I just can't find him boring, usually, but I do usually have a long gestation time before I watch him again. I waited a couple years (or it felt like) to view Kill Bill, and it just gave me chills as if a first viewing. He's definitely got a verve that touches in with me. As for plagiarism: I'd have to see it, indeed. Homage and mimicry can be a very fine line, but if the interplay is anything similar to A Fistful of Dollars and Yojimbo, then I may end up agreeing with you (couldn't enjoy Fistful, having seen Yojimbo).

Even though, I'll never look on "Stuck in the Middle With You" in the same light. ;)
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I find the deliberate misspelling of the title very off-putting. "Inglourious" more so than "Basterds".

I generally do enjoy Tarantino films (though I never felt the desire to watch Death Proof), so I'll see this eventually and probably like it. I don't think his dialogue writing is as good as people make it out to be, but it tends to work in the films.
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Interesting. Nothing about this film made me want to see it until I read your review. Now I might, if I can someone else who can be bothered.
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Nice post, Montresor. I had no idea he paid off writers and took credit for their work. That's really disappointing.

I've never been a huge fan. I was blown away by Pulp Fiction, but he hasn't been able to produce anything nearly as good since. I didn't care for Kill Bill, though the big fight in the 2nd movie was quite a spectacle.

I might have to check this out.
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I watched it last night with Montresor. Short review: 5 stars.
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Lord Foul wrote: I chalk that up to it being 2AM (when I wrote it). :P I just can't find him boring, usually, but I do usually have a long gestation time before I watch him again. I waited a couple years (or it felt like) to view Kill Bill, and it just gave me chills as if a first viewing. He's definitely got a verve that touches in with me. As for plagiarism: I'd have to see it, indeed. Homage and mimicry can be a very fine line, but if the interplay is anything similar to A Fistful of Dollars and Yojimbo, then I may end up agreeing with you (couldn't enjoy Fistful, having seen Yojimbo).
I actually really like Dollars all the same. Possibly because I saw it before Yojimbo (though Yojimbo is the better of the two). Leone received a letter from Kurosawa after the film premiered saying something like "Fistful of Dollars is very good, but it is my movie". Leone couldn't get over the fact that the great Kurosawa had deigned to write to him and braggingly showed it to everyone. He never quite noticed that Kurosawa had just called him a plagiarist...

That said, Dollars does some fresh stuff with some of the material and is so brilliantly edited I almost forgive it.
Lord Foul wrote: Even though, I'll never look on "Stuck in the Middle With You" in the same light. ;)
Agreed. I always think fondly of that scene when the song comes on the radio. :)
Murrin wrote:I find the deliberate misspelling of the title very off-putting. "Inglourious" more so than "Basterds".
Heh. I know what you mean. It's never actually explained in the film but, the fact that the title is scrawled on Brad Pitt's rifle butt (and is in the same handwriting as the film title) my guess is it's meant to be a hint that Pitt's character is not the most educated of men. I also think it's Tarantino's way of nodding to the original film while saying "but mine's different".
Malik23 wrote:Nice post, Montresor. I had no idea he paid off writers and took credit for their work. That's really disappointing.

I've never been a huge fan. I was blown away by Pulp Fiction, but he hasn't been able to produce anything nearly as good since. I didn't care for Kill Bill, though the big fight in the 2nd movie was quite a spectacle.

I might have to check this out.
Thanks. I felt the same when I first heard about the Avery pay-off, and was even more pissed when I discovered Avery was the writer behind the Chris Walken scene in Pulp Fiction (apparently it's straight from a short film he wrote), and most of the Bruce Willis story.

I only saw bits of Kill Bill, and that was just enough for me to scream Lady Snow Blood, and just go and watch that again.

Nonetheless, Tarantino's been working on Basterds's script for ten years, and the end product is very polished. It cleverly mixes tone and genre, seems familiar yet keeps the audience surprised. I honestly think the opening twenty minutes of the movie is the best dialogue scene he's ever written and directed.

In fact, I liked this movie so much I went to see it the night after. That's really rare for me.
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Loved the film, though I felt the dialogue went on a bit too long, but it also lent to the tension and reality of the action, as is usual for Tarantino. All the scenes with the Basterds were amazing. The ending was a real surprise, and very cathartic.
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Lord Foul wrote:Loved the film, though I felt the dialogue went on a bit too long, but it also lent to the tension and reality of the action, as is usual for Tarantino. All the scenes with the Basterds were amazing. The ending was a real surprise, and very cathartic.
I thought you would :)

What did you think of Waltz as Col. Landa?

Was the ending surprising for you because
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you didn't know the Nazi High Command was going to be wiped out;
or,
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Landa's deal came as a surprise?
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Montresor wrote: On a related note - cinema audiences are quite strange at times. I think they were expecting the film to be a comedy. At one point, where the audience is clearly supposed to feel sorry for a stoic German soldier, and to be shocked at his rather brutal demise, the audience burst into laughter as if it was the funniest thing in the film. Odd, especially when Tarantino goes out of his way not to demonise the Germans in this film.
It's funny you reacted that way. After reading your review, I warned my friends last night that is wasn't a comedy... but we ended up laughing through quite a bit of the film, anyway.

Brad Pitt was great, but you're right about Landa... his character made the film.
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And, as soon as Pitt was told over the radio that Landa would surrender to him, a whole three rows in the theatre went "Oh, no!" We were all thinking the same thing... "We're not in the 'taking prisoners business, we're in the 'killing Nazi' business."

Thought they didn't kill him, of course, but the mark they left... that was quite gruesome :)
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Montresor wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:Loved the film, though I felt the dialogue went on a bit too long, but it also lent to the tension and reality of the action, as is usual for Tarantino. All the scenes with the Basterds were amazing. The ending was a real surprise, and very cathartic.
I thought you would :)

What did you think of Waltz as Col. Landa?

Was the ending surprising for you because
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you didn't know the Nazi High Command was going to be wiped out;
or,
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Landa's deal came as a surprise?
Waltz was very good...very doggedly single-functioning in his pursuit of "enemies of the State", and his true animal lust to corner and execute people perfectly encapsulated in the
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choking scene and just about every line of dialogue he delivered, even if it was over a strudel.
Montresor wrote:
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Landa's deal came as a surprise?
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Oh, I had no doubt Landa would want some kind of scum-sucking deal at the end of the war, nor was it a shock that the Basterds would not let him get away so clean. My surprise, and yes, very cathartic, was seeing Hitler get shot with a flurry of submachine cartridges and then watching the Bear Jew fire relentlessly into his face as it turned to putty. It's been a long time coming for fiction to get over Hitler, that he committed suicide and got away from proper justice, and I think both Tarantino's comic portrayal of Hitler and his execution of him is a kind of diminishing of whatever myth fiction has bestowed upon such unworthy a figure.
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It's a shame that they haven't been trying to keep the film's major twist a secret (the one that surprised you), because I had read about that before I saw the film. Even so, there was something about just seeing it that still made it surprising and, of course, enormously pleasing :)
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I saw an interview with Tarantino on tele where he basically claimed that if the characters he created in the movie had existed in reality, then Inglorius Basterds could quite plausibly have happened.

I love the guy, but ye Gods, the ego on him! Only Tarantino would try and defend this highly enjoyable work of fantasy as an alternate reality piece.

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Yeah, I saw that, and while I agree that it's a possibility...

...it's like claiming that if Osbourne Industries had existed in reality, then we really could have a Green Goblin.
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Rigel wrote:...it's like claiming that if Osbourne Industries had existed in reality, then we really could have a Green Goblin.
But...we would! :P

An interesting film. Some of it was quite aloof in the Tarantino fashion, as LF describes it, but man, all the Landa scenes were fantastically compelling, and the climactic scene was nothing short of extraordinary.

By the way, regarding the title: everybody knows Tarantino is a film freak. I think it's a joke on the title of the Castellari film (correctly spelled) of which Tarantino is a huge fan.
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Also if you notice Brad Pitt's weapon, which spells "Inglorious Bastards" wrong on the stock--and that he plays a hillbilly who most likely never went to or didn't stay long in school...
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Lord Foul wrote:Also if you notice Brad Pitt's weapon, which spells "Inglorious Bastards" wrong on the stock--and that he plays a hillbilly who most likely never went to or didn't stay long in school...
Lord Mhoram wrote: By the way, regarding the title: everybody knows Tarantino is a film freak. I think it's a joke on the title of the Castellari film (correctly spelled) of which Tarantino is a huge fan.
Heh. Gentlemen, are you repeating me? :)
Montresor wrote: It's never actually explained in the film but, the fact that the title is scrawled on Brad Pitt's rifle butt (and is in the same handwriting as the film title) my guess is it's meant to be a hint that Pitt's character is not the most educated of men. I also think it's Tarantino's way of nodding to the original film while saying "but mine's different".
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