The difference seems to be the lack of the Time Reaver. Our recollection of that vision refers to Sizia having returned to her father through a rift in time created by the Reaver. Also there were thoughts that the Reaver was as much a boon as a problem, in some respects.
We also notice that our Knowledge of the conversation between Zephyr and Koel about the Reaver now seems to imply that the Reaver is forgotten, and not present in the world.
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That is how I recall the original vision, The Numen.
But should this now imply the Time Reaver is no longer present in the world, what now explains the amber disturbances throughout Eiran? You and Koel have both learned of the amber disturbances, and yet now it seems that information is possibly moot? That the L-rd General's daughter never came to this Age after all? Surely Zephyr recalls that very thing occurring!
But should this now imply the Time Reaver is no longer present in the world, what now explains the amber disturbances throughout Eiran? You and Koel have both learned of the amber disturbances, and yet now it seems that information is possibly moot? That the L-rd General's daughter never came to this Age after all? Surely Zephyr recalls that very thing occurring!
My guess at the moment is that we are dealing with two (for the, ahem, time being) different timelines. Perhaps we are in one, but having visions of another. Perhaps we are flickering back and forth between them. Perhaps they are merging. I cannot guess if my premise is correct, much less which explanation might be.
As far as specifics are concerned...
The timeline that seems strongest as I speak these words is, perhaps, not of much concern. The Lords were not particularly concerned with joining with us against Eiran's ills in the other timeline. If they are no longer a unit, they will not join with us against Eiran's ills.
In fact, it may well work out better for us. The Scrivener said this: "Better than that each of us goes his or her own way, to do what we can for the descendants of those who empowered us." I would be thrilled if Allyria came to Arcadia or me and helped us!!
As far as the Time Reaver is concerned... I am looking out over the world now, and I see the Time Reaver. And I see the portals it has created. If changes were made in the past that prevented the daughters of the Lord-General and Jameak from reuniting with them, then they did not have cause to discuss the Time Reaver. That does not mean it no longer exists.
The timeline that seems strongest as I speak these words is, perhaps, not of much concern. The Lords were not particularly concerned with joining with us against Eiran's ills in the other timeline. If they are no longer a unit, they will not join with us against Eiran's ills.
In fact, it may well work out better for us. The Scrivener said this: "Better than that each of us goes his or her own way, to do what we can for the descendants of those who empowered us." I would be thrilled if Allyria came to Arcadia or me and helped us!!
As far as the Time Reaver is concerned... I am looking out over the world now, and I see the Time Reaver. And I see the portals it has created. If changes were made in the past that prevented the daughters of the Lord-General and Jameak from reuniting with them, then they did not have cause to discuss the Time Reaver. That does not mean it no longer exists.
It could also be that the changes in the timeline are spreading out. Some things have already changed (as we have seen) and others will change shortly.Zephyr wrote:As far as the Time Reaver is concerned... I am looking out over the world now, and I see the Time Reaver. And I see the portals it has created. If changes were made in the past that prevented the daughters of the Lord-General and Jameak from reuniting with them, then they did not have cause to discuss the Time Reaver. That does not mean it no longer exists.
[ooc] - Maybe Xar hasn't finished making all the changes yet?[/ooc]
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I am inclined to agree with you, Knowledge.
However, in considering the past few years [ooc]meaning, reviewing the W&E thread[/ooc] it appears several cities are still obscured by an amber disturbance. I have lost several followers to the one where Sunrise City is located, in addition to those who worshipped the multiple deities of the Sunrise Court itself. I am sure the same has occurred to followers of others in the other locations affected by these amber disturbances.
One hopes the whereabouts and lives of those who have gone "missing" will soon be accounted for, unless these disturbances are now attributable to something else...
However, in considering the past few years [ooc]meaning, reviewing the W&E thread[/ooc] it appears several cities are still obscured by an amber disturbance. I have lost several followers to the one where Sunrise City is located, in addition to those who worshipped the multiple deities of the Sunrise Court itself. I am sure the same has occurred to followers of others in the other locations affected by these amber disturbances.
One hopes the whereabouts and lives of those who have gone "missing" will soon be accounted for, unless these disturbances are now attributable to something else...
Until a few seasons ago, we did not know the Time Reaver had a name. We simply called it what it looked like - an amber disturbance.
I do not see anything that would be called an amber disturbance anywhere other than where the Time Reaver currently is, where Enstorm meets the crack (and I greatly fear the Icewall will be gone when it leaves); and where it just left, in southeast Halym (surely a new development, which I don't suspect is a good thing, either).
All other places that the Time Reaver has been appear to me as Time portals (no idea if they are also space portals) whose borders are visible in amber.
I do not see anything that would be called an amber disturbance anywhere other than where the Time Reaver currently is, where Enstorm meets the crack (and I greatly fear the Icewall will be gone when it leaves); and where it just left, in southeast Halym (surely a new development, which I don't suspect is a good thing, either).
All other places that the Time Reaver has been appear to me as Time portals (no idea if they are also space portals) whose borders are visible in amber.
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My pardon, Zephyr. You are quite correct.
However, where the Time Reaver has left the land appears different to both the follower and divine eye. As far as I know, only Koel is able to recognize that Time portals have been left where Third Age cities once existed; the rest of us see only the changes to the land. Any and all followers who were within those changed areas, and any who have entered after the areas were changed, vanish from our divine senses. If the Time Reaver should wind up never having existed, it is my hope these followers and cities revert to what they once were as well.
My pardon, Zephyr. You are quite correct.
However, where the Time Reaver has left the land appears different to both the follower and divine eye. As far as I know, only Koel is able to recognize that Time portals have been left where Third Age cities once existed; the rest of us see only the changes to the land. Any and all followers who were within those changed areas, and any who have entered after the areas were changed, vanish from our divine senses. If the Time Reaver should wind up never having existed, it is my hope these followers and cities revert to what they once were as well.
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Brethren, a thought.
In the new vision we all had regarding the dissolution of the L-rds of Eiran, no mention is now made of The Custodian, Solcar. Jameak, The Champion Immortal, is now recognized as the leader, as was stated in the first we ever heard of the L-rds. Is it possible The Custodian as well came through a portal and is now gone?
Sister Fate, is this something you feel you can safely inquire of Iris?
In the new vision we all had regarding the dissolution of the L-rds of Eiran, no mention is now made of The Custodian, Solcar. Jameak, The Champion Immortal, is now recognized as the leader, as was stated in the first we ever heard of the L-rds. Is it possible The Custodian as well came through a portal and is now gone?
Sister Fate, is this something you feel you can safely inquire of Iris?
Ah. My apologies, O-gon-cho. I hadn't realized it was not understood. The Custodian is Damnameneus, one of the three dactyls that Simjen created in the Second Age. The story Simjen recently told us describes how Damnameneus started the Lords, and I hadn't realized he was actually called the Custodian in another communication.
Just a guess, but I believe the Custodian is in both visions of that meeting that we have seen. The question is, who is the ninth? Only seven Lords are mentioned in either. The Custodian is mentioned in one, and may be in the other. But there are only eight participants in either. Who is the mysterious figure? Why hidden?
Just a guess, but I believe the Custodian is in both visions of that meeting that we have seen. The question is, who is the ninth? Only seven Lords are mentioned in either. The Custodian is mentioned in one, and may be in the other. But there are only eight participants in either. Who is the mysterious figure? Why hidden?
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Brethren, another thought has just occurred to me.
Before the vision of the dissolution of the L-rds of Eiran occurred, the Night Wyrm made mention of Argothoth's final gift to Eiran, the ten shards he shattered himself in to, starting to find each other. He also said something along the lines of them seeking a weak-willed mortal to overcome and help enable the return of Argothoth. Or something along those lines. My recollection of the vision before it changed is growing faint.
Our divine sight throughout the age have seen that there is "an echo of the power of the old god Argothoth echoes throughout the world" since the autumn of the second year of this Age. The following season the same was stated; nothing changed, causing my own interpretation of that sight given each season to become lack. I failed to notice that in the spring of the third year of this Age, the "faint" echo changed to "...growing somewhat stronger." The following season, it changed yet again, from "a faint echo" to "an echo" which continued to grow "somewhat stronger."
Then the following season, the autumn of the third year of this Age, the description changes yet again to "...growing significantly stronger." It has remained the same since.
My theory is that each mention of this "echo of the old god Argothoth" was the finding of another shard of his final gift to Eiran. Between the autumn of the Second year, and the season which has just passed, ten seasons have passed, with a mention of this echo happening in each season. I am unsure if the mention in the winter of the second year, where no gain in strength is mentioned, means a shard was found then or not, but regardless, I believe either nine or ten of the shards of Argothoth's final gift have been found, and hope whomever has found them now has an idea of what them joining together could mean.
Before the vision of the dissolution of the L-rds of Eiran occurred, the Night Wyrm made mention of Argothoth's final gift to Eiran, the ten shards he shattered himself in to, starting to find each other. He also said something along the lines of them seeking a weak-willed mortal to overcome and help enable the return of Argothoth. Or something along those lines. My recollection of the vision before it changed is growing faint.
Our divine sight throughout the age have seen that there is "an echo of the power of the old god Argothoth echoes throughout the world" since the autumn of the second year of this Age. The following season the same was stated; nothing changed, causing my own interpretation of that sight given each season to become lack. I failed to notice that in the spring of the third year of this Age, the "faint" echo changed to "...growing somewhat stronger." The following season, it changed yet again, from "a faint echo" to "an echo" which continued to grow "somewhat stronger."
Then the following season, the autumn of the third year of this Age, the description changes yet again to "...growing significantly stronger." It has remained the same since.
My theory is that each mention of this "echo of the old god Argothoth" was the finding of another shard of his final gift to Eiran. Between the autumn of the Second year, and the season which has just passed, ten seasons have passed, with a mention of this echo happening in each season. I am unsure if the mention in the winter of the second year, where no gain in strength is mentioned, means a shard was found then or not, but regardless, I believe either nine or ten of the shards of Argothoth's final gift have been found, and hope whomever has found them now has an idea of what them joining together could mean.
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Nor has mine in this Age, Zephyr.
But I was with Argothoth immediately after his battle with Melirelle, and before he shattered himself. I know what I forced him to see. I felt the remorse he discovered within himself for what he had done in the waning years of the Second Age.
...and he shattered himself immediately after.
I only hope, if my theory is at all correct, that it is Argothoth the Gray who returns, and not Argothoth the Black...
But I was with Argothoth immediately after his battle with Melirelle, and before he shattered himself. I know what I forced him to see. I felt the remorse he discovered within himself for what he had done in the waning years of the Second Age.
...and he shattered himself immediately after.
I only hope, if my theory is at all correct, that it is Argothoth the Gray who returns, and not Argothoth the Black...
Well, be all that as it may, I don't know anything about the situation. But you speak as if Argothoth will come back. He may, and he may not. Should we help his return? Or should we hinder it? He may be Black, and he may be Gray. If I had ever had any news of anything relating to him in this age, I might be able to judge whether or not, if he does come back, he would come back as one or the other. But I have never had any news. So I can only say it's a serious risk. I won't help bring him back.
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On this we agree.Zephyr wrote:So I can only say it's a serious risk. I won't help bring him back.
My hope on sharing this thought, if my theory is correct, is if someone has been finding the shards, and did not know what they may be, they may now be more enlightened and make an informed choice as to whether or not to reunite the shards together.