Onos T'oolan wrote:How did they get there? None of them were killed by it.aliantha wrote:Onos T'oolan wrote:As for Hood's realm... Yeah, I can think of some who did. Heh. At least, I guess it was from Hood's realm? *sigh* It's amazing how much I love these books, considering how much is largely unexplained.Spoiler
Bridgeburners? Whiskeyjack? They weren't in Hood's realm -- they were in Dragnipur.
aliantha wrote:Weren't they in there? Am I misremembering? Gods know that's always possible with this series....Onos T'oolan wrote:How did they get there? None of them were killed by it.aliantha wrote:Spoiler
Bridgeburners? Whiskeyjack? They weren't in Hood's realm -- they were in Dragnipur.
Murrin wrote:Onos, I have no idea how you could possibly forget the entire climax of one of the novels.
Spoiler
Hood sent his armies into Dragnipur to reinforce the cart until Rake was ready to sacrifice himself, remember? Hood even died at Dragnipur's edge to be able to do it.
The Bridgeburners were close to Ascendant through sheer virtue of wil and reputation even before they died. Paran's blessing and the song pushed them over, but after they were already dead.
Anyhow, Warrens are worlds as much as magical realms, some more stable than others. The Crippled God's previous world was a Warren, as is the Malazan world. It's just the terminology from the fact that the most known and easily accessible are more like minor alternate realms used for quick travel.
Onos T'oolan wrote:Spoiler
We're talking about whether or not the Bridgeburners Ascended from Hood's realm - which I guess is the Warren of Death. ali seemed to be saying she thought they Ascended from Dragnipur. I'm saying they Ascended before going into Dragnipur. (How did Hood get them in there, I wonder...) They were killed at the end of MoI, and Ascended at the end of HoC. We don't even know that all went into Dragnipur (Hedge certainly didn't), but, whichever did, it was after they Ascended.
Murrin wrote:Spoiler
First you're asking how they got to Dragnipur, then you're saying you knew all along and just meant they didn't ascend there.
Anyway, isn't that (they did go to Hood's Realm, they ascended after they died, but not in Dragnipur) pretty much what I said?
Oh, and I thought Hedge did go to Hood's Realm. He got out through the old Jaghut death realm and Omtose Phellack, both of which are very closely tied to Hood's Realm.
Onos T'oolan wrote:Good lord...
Spoiler
First is where they were when they Ascended. They were all dead. I'm not aware of any of them being anywhere but in Hood's realm. And yes, that includes Hedge. I never said he wasn't in Hood's realm. So I believe they all Ascended from Hood's realm. I do not believe they Ascended from Dragnipur.
Second, we still don't know how they got into Dragnipur. Yeah, Hood sent them there. But how did he do that? I thought you had to be killed by the blade in order to get into it. Hood knows another way in? That's pretty darned amazing, imo. OR, is he his own realm, so everything within him went into Dragnipur when he did?
*smacks forehead* That explanation is worded in a way that makes it sound so obvious. Not sure why I hadn't thought of it that way.Murrin wrote:Spoiler
Being taken into Dragnipur allowed Hood to open his Realm within the sword, yes.
And yeah, I read the bit about Hedge not being in Dragnipur then when I was writing the reply misremembered it.
However, why didn't Draconus and Apsal'ara open their warrens and escape long ago? Draconus might have had reasons to stay, incomprehensible as such a thing might seem to me. But not Apsal'ara. I'm sure she's much less powerful than Hood is, though. Was she simply not powerful enough to do it?
