A Momentary Lapse of Reason reconsidered

Post by **mrsnull** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 6:58 pm

dANdeLION wrote:Geez Cail, she's married to null, and he's been forcing Syd, Husker Du, and God knows what else down her throat for the last 17+ years. Isn't that punishment enough?

And mrs null, you probably should peruse through the Album; you'll find Cail's every bit the dreamy stud Gilmour ever was!

17 + very happy years I might add. Still like we are honeymooners!! Everyone should be so blessed!!

I am an independent thinker with a college degree. He's never tried to force an opinion or will on me. He listens to me and is respectful to me every bit as much as I am to him.

Part of Gilmour's appeal to women is his inner beauty! He's just a nice guy!

Post by **Orlion** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 7:11 pm

I always felt aMLoR was one of Floyd's weaker albums, despite haveing some incredibly great songs. It seemed like the rest was filler to me. It seemed like they had to grow a little as a band before they could come up with a more organic, powerful album like Division Bell where Wright was more a part of the process and not recovering from the debasement he had received from Waters. Because of that, I view Division Bell as more of a Floyd album and aMLoR as more a Gilmour solo (nothing wrong with that, I think the guy has produced consistent, quality solo music!)

Also, to add some more of my cents, Obscured by Clouds is as solid a Floyd album as you'll get before DSotM. My favorite, Atom Heart Mother, and Meddle suffer somewhat like aMLoR... incredible stuff with some subpar or frankly silly attachments (I'm thinking of the scraffing sounds in Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast... great tune, but they really didn't need to use a soundbite of a pig eating

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Post by **Cail** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 9:01 pm

Funny thing about The Division Bell....While in some ways it's more of a cohesive album, I think there are more songs on it that have Gilmour's solo stamp on them, particularly "Poles Apart", "Take it Back", and "Coming Back to Life".

The three standouts on TDB; "What Do You Want From Me?", "Keep Talking", and especially "High Hopes" are as good as any other Floyd song though.

Post by **sgt.null** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 3:25 am

i think the strongest song on Division Bell is "Wearing the Inside Out" it is a real shame that Rick didn't have more of a chance to explore that part of his muse.

Floyd was always strongest when the members worked together - whatever grouping they happened to be in.

mrsnull - don't be afraid to tell us how you really feel.

Post by **dlbpharmd** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:30 pm

Cail wrote: The three standouts on TDB; "What Do You Want From Me?", "Keep Talking", and especially "High Hopes" are as good as any other Floyd song though.

Agree except I would substitute "Take it Back" in place of "High Hopes."

Post by **Cail** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:14 am

dlbpharmd wrote:
Cail wrote: The three standouts on TDB; "What Do You Want From Me?", "Keep Talking", and especially "High Hopes" are as good as any other Floyd song though.
Agree except I would substitute "Take it Back" in place of "High Hopes."

Oh man, I think "High Hopes" is the best Floyd song extant.

Post by **danlo** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 2:29 am

I vote High Hopes

Post by **dANdeLION** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 11:15 am

I vote for changing this thread name to 'Momentary Relapse of Reason'.

Post by **Vraith** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 2:02 pm

Cail wrote:
dlbpharmd wrote:
Cail wrote: The three standouts on TDB; "What Do You Want From Me?", "Keep Talking", and especially "High Hopes" are as good as any other Floyd song though.
Agree except I would substitute "Take it Back" in place of "High Hopes."
Oh man, I think "High Hopes" is the best Floyd song extant.

Heh...you might not be the only one. My music is on my other comp. So, inspired to Floyd out while watch-cruising, went to youtube to listen to this...it has over 3-1/2 million views.
Anyway...I switch and argue a lot, often just with myself...about what's "The Best," but thinking on it just now, the fact is by pure numbers I listen to "Shine...Diamond" and the whole album "Animals" more than anything else...so I guess some part of me thinks they're the best.

Post by **aTOMiC** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 2:28 pm

AMLR is by a wide margin my favorite PF album and I do frequently listen to it and it's due to Gilmour specifically.
The songwriting, the vocals and the smooth and amazing guitar work do it for me.
I know most true PF fans will bleed Waters if they were cut but I guess I'm not a true PF fan.
I enjoy Darkside and The Wall but I don't appreciate the material the way I do with AMLR.
Of course I never seem to get into authentic anything.
I like my seafood out of a box.
I like my mexican cuisine from a place with a bell on the sign and I like my chinese out of a can so don't go by me.

Post by **sgt.null** » Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:13 am

i find the problem with the wall is that it's just too much. too much bleakness and too much waters. needs more wright and gilmour.

i have never liked "don't leave me now" and always felt "hey you" did not fit the album.

Post by **dANdeLION** » Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:29 am

There's nothing wrong with the Wall. It's one of the best rock albums, ever. Your only problem with the Wall is the same problem you have with any great work; it's too popular for you. You seem to have a fear of liking things that most people like; I suspect it's your attempt at standing out in the crowd.

Post by **sgt.null** » Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:44 am

no. my problem with the wall is that it just goes on forever and is badly in need of editing. if i did not like popular bands i would not be a fan of pink floyd.

"hey you" was an afterthought of editing. there is no thematic reasoning behind its placement on the album.

"what shall we do now" is one of the better songs and it was left off the album.

"the show must go on" was also left off the album.

Post by **Cambo** » Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:54 am

aTOMiC wrote:AMLR is by a wide margin my favorite PF album and I do frequently listen to it and it's due to Gilmour specifically.
The songwriting, the vocals and the smooth and amazing guitar work do it for me.
I know most true PF fans will bleed Waters if they were cut but I guess I'm not a true PF fan.
I enjoy Darkside and The Wall but I don't appreciate the material the way I do with AMLR.
Of course I never seem to get into authentic anything.
I like my seafood out of a box.
I like my mexican cuisine from a place with a bell on the sign and I like my chinese out of a can so don't go by me.

Post-Waters Floyd isn't any less authentic than any other Floyd, even though I'm sure Waters would like to think so. I'm sure there are people who feel that the Syd Barrett era is the most authentic Floyd. Personally, my favourites are the albums from Atom Heart Mother to Wish You Were Here.

Post by **Cail** » Thu Jul 07, 2011 12:00 pm

Indeed, there is nothing wrong with The Wall at all, other than the lack of "When the Tigers Broke Free", and "What Shall We Do Now?". I chuckle whenever I hear the "too much filler" argument....

Post by **dANdeLION** » Thu Jul 07, 2011 12:11 pm

null, you suffer from Melophobia. You should probably see a specialist.

Post by **Cagliostro** » Thu Jul 07, 2011 12:37 pm

sgt.null wrote:i find the problem with the wall is that it's just too much. too much bleakness and too much waters. needs more wright and gilmour.

i have never liked "don't leave me now" and always felt "hey you" did not fit the album.

I'll give you the bleakness and too much Waters, and I'll raise you a "several guitar solos sound practically the same," but I think "Don't Leave Me Now" is perfect, though granted, it is hard to listen to because it perfectly captures the mindset of the "author" at the time. I think it's a brilliant bit of writing, though I'm usually not very interested in hearing it most of the time. "Hey You" is one of the best songs on the album, and I think it fits the album. Am I right in remembering that the song is not in the movie? Maybe that's why you feel that way.

Edit: Ok, so it looks like some of this had been addressed already before I actually got my post in. One correction though - "The Show Must Go On" is on the album, or at least my version. And I guess I've watched the movie enough to think "What Shall We Do Now" was on the album, but from doing a comparison, it looks like it wasn't. How odd.

Post by **dANdeLION** » Thu Jul 07, 2011 12:50 pm

I've never watched the movie; at least, not entirely. I'm not sure if I've even heard 'What Shall We Do Now'.

Post by **Cail** » Thu Jul 07, 2011 12:52 pm

The Wall, like an opera, has a central musical theme, and there are two guitar parts that are repeated quite a bit throughout the piece. The "overture" in "The Thin Ice", and the (for lack of a better word) "aria" in "Another Brick in the Wall".

Post by **Cagliostro** » Thu Jul 07, 2011 1:11 pm

Cail, if you are addressing my critique about the guitar solos, s'true, but I also think the same type of guitar solo makes its way into The Final Cut, which is when I decided it was Gilmour's trademark sound, at least during that period. Or he was phoning it in a bit due to band tensions at the time due to Waters taking over Pink Floyd, for the most part. I've only heard a bit of post-Waters Floyd, so I can't comment too much on what they sound like after that, but from what I've heard, it is different enough to not warrant the same critique.

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