another addition to the Covenant Soundtrack
Moderators: Orlion, kevinswatch
- deer of the dawn
- The Gap Into Spam
- Posts: 6758
- Joined: Mon Feb 11, 2008 12:48 pm
- Location: Jos, Nigeria
- Contact:
I think that sixties pop would be way too jarring in that setting. You could get the same dark feel and haunting textural beauty with some black (melodic) metal. Reference Agalloch or Opeth. Give them a listen and you won't be sorry.
Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle. -Philo of Alexandria
ahhhh... if only all our creativity in wickedness could be fixed by "Corrupt a Wish." - Linna Heartlistener
ahhhh... if only all our creativity in wickedness could be fixed by "Corrupt a Wish." - Linna Heartlistener
I listened to some of the stuff on their myspace pages and it took me back to my days of Slayer, Venom, Anthrax..(Still Like Slayer) I could go on and on. After listening to those bands you mentioned..Opeth reminded me of Venom.. .. much mostly because of the Growling style of Singing, ..i think that would jar the hell out of peopledeer of the dawn wrote:I think that sixties pop would be way too jarring in that setting. You could get the same dark feel and haunting textural beauty with some black (melodic) metal. Reference Agalloch or Opeth. Give them a listen and you won't be sorry.


I liked the Musical style of Agalloch...long intros and some instrumentals only. I think they would actually go good with some of the scenes for sure...but I think it would be better without Lyrics at all..strictly Instrumental...No Lyrics unless taylor made for the TC movie. maybe even turn some of the poetry in the books to song.
alot of possibilities but im no Scorsese


- deer of the dawn
- The Gap Into Spam
- Posts: 6758
- Joined: Mon Feb 11, 2008 12:48 pm
- Location: Jos, Nigeria
- Contact:
I like some of Opeth but yeah, I am not much for the growling, myself. At least, not set to music.
Opeths instrumentals are more what I was thinking of, and the Agalloch of course.

Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle. -Philo of Alexandria
ahhhh... if only all our creativity in wickedness could be fixed by "Corrupt a Wish." - Linna Heartlistener
ahhhh... if only all our creativity in wickedness could be fixed by "Corrupt a Wish." - Linna Heartlistener
- Frostheart Grueburn
- The Gap Into Spam
- Posts: 1827
- Joined: Fri Mar 04, 2011 8:47 pm
- Location: Gianthome
Is the exhuming of mossy old threads frowned upon here? 
Anyhow, to the point...
Composers like John Williams and Howard Shore, both mentioned before, are perfect choices for just about any fantasy creation. Can't help hearing sequences from the LOTR soundtracks (Complete Recordings versions) with my mind's ear when re-imagining certain parts of the 1st and 2nd chrons: The Last March of the Ents track for Foamfollower wading into bubbling lava, middle sections of The Lighting of the Beacons for the first sight of Revelstone in WGW, etc.
Some of my own picks:
Joseph LoDuca is an obscurer name, but his unconventional instruments wailing and scraping in the background of often discordant, rapidly changing melodies make rather effective audile images for Raver attacks and insane Sunbane growth or verdancy rotting and exploding into noisome gray sludge within seconds.
His music has the tendency to switch from corny synth slop to surreal horrorscapes that make one's skin crawl even within the same track. A good cross-section of his music style can be found for instance within this soundtrack (haven't seen the movie, though): www.youtube.com/user/UktenaWolf#g/u
Still on the footsteps of Ravers and Sunbanes: Apocalyptica's Harmageddon ('cello metal' from Finland): www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx4XNxHkMuc
Now excuses that I start gushing over the Giants for the gigazillionth time again, but I've recently re-listened to some Estonian metal bands and a couple of tracks on Metsatöll's recent album just fit quite well with their adventurous sea voyages. Moreover, I cracked up when I realized what the band had included in the official music video of the first song I had in mind (I don't often watch these, as they commonly have nothing to do with the lyrics themselves. Neither does this one, really. XD): scenes from a 30-year-old (highly stylized by Jüri Arrak) animated short telling the legend of Suur Tõll, the hero-giant of the isle of Saarenmaa. Note: this is no Disney or anime, but something made during the Soviet era.
At the beginning, he's building a massive stone construction with his wife Piret; the red devil-ish creature is his arch-enemy Vanatühi (lit. Old Empty).
www.youtube.com/watch?v=--i3pwGGabE
English translation of the lyrics below the video. Click "show more".
Another Metsatöll song: www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4OlDu6JCUE
Lyrics (a translation from their website, doesn't fully make justice to the original due to the complexity of Finnic languages):
Translated lyrics:

Anyhow, to the point...
Composers like John Williams and Howard Shore, both mentioned before, are perfect choices for just about any fantasy creation. Can't help hearing sequences from the LOTR soundtracks (Complete Recordings versions) with my mind's ear when re-imagining certain parts of the 1st and 2nd chrons: The Last March of the Ents track for Foamfollower wading into bubbling lava, middle sections of The Lighting of the Beacons for the first sight of Revelstone in WGW, etc.
Some of my own picks:
Joseph LoDuca is an obscurer name, but his unconventional instruments wailing and scraping in the background of often discordant, rapidly changing melodies make rather effective audile images for Raver attacks and insane Sunbane growth or verdancy rotting and exploding into noisome gray sludge within seconds.
His music has the tendency to switch from corny synth slop to surreal horrorscapes that make one's skin crawl even within the same track. A good cross-section of his music style can be found for instance within this soundtrack (haven't seen the movie, though): www.youtube.com/user/UktenaWolf#g/u
Still on the footsteps of Ravers and Sunbanes: Apocalyptica's Harmageddon ('cello metal' from Finland): www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx4XNxHkMuc
Now excuses that I start gushing over the Giants for the gigazillionth time again, but I've recently re-listened to some Estonian metal bands and a couple of tracks on Metsatöll's recent album just fit quite well with their adventurous sea voyages. Moreover, I cracked up when I realized what the band had included in the official music video of the first song I had in mind (I don't often watch these, as they commonly have nothing to do with the lyrics themselves. Neither does this one, really. XD): scenes from a 30-year-old (highly stylized by Jüri Arrak) animated short telling the legend of Suur Tõll, the hero-giant of the isle of Saarenmaa. Note: this is no Disney or anime, but something made during the Soviet era.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=--i3pwGGabE
English translation of the lyrics below the video. Click "show more".
Another Metsatöll song: www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4OlDu6JCUE
Lyrics (a translation from their website, doesn't fully make justice to the original due to the complexity of Finnic languages):
And another from Iivakivi: www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfZSW6xXlq0UNTIL I ARRIVE AT HOME, I’M ON A DISTANT ROAD
Such is the heart of the old sea-hound
It’s as bitter as brine
A life of hard toil makes
Blood boil in my veins
Hey-yeah, three miles to go
Hold the sails, man of iron
Hey-yeah, three miles to go
Until I arrive at home, I’m on a distant road
Thus upon the Northern Sea
You will forget everything inside
And in your wise heart,
You’ll know everything that’s ahead
Hey-yeah, two miles to go
The shore is distant, the mind is strong
Hey-yeah, two miles to go
Until I arrive at home, I’m on a distant road
A misty haze in your eyes
You seadog with an iron soul
And when you’ll arrive at home you know
The longer path is still ahead
Hey-yeah, one mile to go
Hold the sails, an iron mind
Hey-yeah, one mile to go
Until I arrive at home, I’m on a distant road
Until I arrive at home, I’m on a distant road
Translated lyrics:
SEAWOLF
Hound of waves gray as iron
Frost has gnawed his frozen back
Tempests on the high seas
Tried to tear down the seawolf
Whirling gales and bursts of wind
Gnarling, brine-soaked, weather-beaten
Face callous from stormy waters
Seawolf, you marred mariner
Wolf, seawolf
Scars weathered by the salty squalls
Wolf, seawolf
Nothing but loneliness in fading eyes
Wolf, seawolf
Yearning for the sea a burdening urge
Wolf, seawolf
And mind filled with maids’ broken hearts
Tempests, bogs of waves thrashed
To seasickness rendered the hulk
Bilge beaten to foam
By the flaming wreath of death’s shadow
Wounds found in the nooks of the soul
Torn open, salt sowed
Weary from damp journeys
Finds a way back homeward
Cries of tempests echo from afar
Seaman’s soul grows sore
Breathes in salty air
Sets out back to sea
- jonnyredleader
- Elohim
- Posts: 170
- Joined: Wed Mar 02, 2011 10:06 pm
- Location: Kent England
Ok here are the songs and music that make me think of the chronicles whenever i hear them, usually dark but lyrically poignant.
have a listen if only for fun:
Moon Trills - Jonny Greenwood - hauntingly beautiful and emotional
The Birds (reprise) - Elbow - sounds like an unfettered one singing
Give up the Ghost - Radiohead - haunting, a song for lost love
Love Over Gold - Dire Straits - dont laugh lyrically and musically makes me think of Elena
Pioneer to the falls - interpol - epic sounding and haunting and ..the falls
fratres for string orchestra - Part - beautiful just beautiful
Weird fishes-Radiohead- just so haunting, beautiful and emotional
Horses in my dreams - Pj Harvey - self evident
Dear friends - elbow - because it says everything about the need for friends
happy listening
have a listen if only for fun:
Moon Trills - Jonny Greenwood - hauntingly beautiful and emotional
The Birds (reprise) - Elbow - sounds like an unfettered one singing
Give up the Ghost - Radiohead - haunting, a song for lost love
Love Over Gold - Dire Straits - dont laugh lyrically and musically makes me think of Elena
Pioneer to the falls - interpol - epic sounding and haunting and ..the falls
fratres for string orchestra - Part - beautiful just beautiful
Weird fishes-Radiohead- just so haunting, beautiful and emotional
Horses in my dreams - Pj Harvey - self evident
Dear friends - elbow - because it says everything about the need for friends
happy listening
- Lefdmae Deemalr Effaeldm
- The Gap Into Spam
- Posts: 2943
- Joined: Wed May 25, 2011 12:45 pm
- Location: Deep in psychotic, warped and weird thoughts
- Has thanked: 1 time
I listen to a lot of different music, while reading the Chrons as well, to name a few likely that feel most like that is hard.
Yngwie Malmsteen, his ballads and slow instruentals have somewhat sad and fragile beauty, like "Crying" www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF9Ah460ybw And some darker help feel the epic and the desparate, like "Tomorrow's Gone" www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6rn10ePae0
Some different kind of beauty is in some songs by Queen, like "White Queen (As It Began)" www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHobnwUhhIM and even more different, if I can say so, in the unusual ones like "In The Lap Of The Gods Revisited"
www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpPTsnPYtLo
The dangerous and harsh feels like Dethklok, like "Detharmonic" www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDIGzzeQjaE&fea ... playnext=1 or "Black Fire Upon Us" www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTiWHnhMQzU&fea ... 26&index=1
Pink Floyd is always there with the feel of dreams bordering on nightmares, like "Comfortably Numb" www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkJNyQfAprY and "Shine On You Crazy Diamond" www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQYaVb4px7U
Good listening and reading to you.
Yngwie Malmsteen, his ballads and slow instruentals have somewhat sad and fragile beauty, like "Crying" www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF9Ah460ybw And some darker help feel the epic and the desparate, like "Tomorrow's Gone" www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6rn10ePae0
Some different kind of beauty is in some songs by Queen, like "White Queen (As It Began)" www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHobnwUhhIM and even more different, if I can say so, in the unusual ones like "In The Lap Of The Gods Revisited"
www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpPTsnPYtLo
The dangerous and harsh feels like Dethklok, like "Detharmonic" www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDIGzzeQjaE&fea ... playnext=1 or "Black Fire Upon Us" www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTiWHnhMQzU&fea ... 26&index=1
Pink Floyd is always there with the feel of dreams bordering on nightmares, like "Comfortably Numb" www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkJNyQfAprY and "Shine On You Crazy Diamond" www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQYaVb4px7U
Good listening and reading to you.
- wayfriend
- .
- Posts: 20957
- Joined: Wed Apr 21, 2004 12:34 am
- Has thanked: 2 times
- Been thanked: 6 times
I, too, have been envisioning the Chronicles with Shore's soundtrack. Although I don't match them up the same way.Zorm wrote:Composers like John Williams and Howard Shore, both mentioned before, are perfect choices for just about any fantasy creation. Can't help hearing sequences from the LOTR soundtracks (Complete Recordings versions) with my mind's ear when re-imagining certain parts of the 1st and 2nd chrons: The Last March of the Ents track for Foamfollower wading into bubbling lava, middle sections of The Lighting of the Beacons for the first sight of Revelstone in WGW, etc.

Some other ones that I have seen (in some detail):
The Treason of Isengard: begin with the departure of the jeherrin, through the maze, then crossing Hotash Slay.
Twilight and Shadow: the Haruchai seduction by the merewives, their rescue, and then Linden breaking the spell.
Anduril: the arrival of Starfare's Gem at Coercri, with a hold full of rats at the end.
(In fact, the Gondor theme is pretty much now the Starfare's Gem theme for me. It's so nautical.)
.
- Sherman Landlearner
- Elohim
- Posts: 102
- Joined: Fri May 18, 2012 11:31 am
- Location: New York, USA
I'd go with the ever-classic "Kryptonite". I think it's Green Day, but as I don't usually notice the singers, just the music, I couldn't possibly guarantee that.
I’m not afraid of Death. What’s he going to do, kill me?
THOOLAH! THOOLAH! THOOLAH!
THOOLAH! THOOLAH! THOOLAH!
THOOLAH! THOOLAH! THOOLAH!
THOOLAH! THOOLAH! THOOLAH!
THOOLAH! THOOLAH! THOOLAH!
THOOLAH! THOOLAH! THOOLAH!
THOOLAH! THOOLAH! THOOLAH!
THOOLAH! THOOLAH! THOOLAH!
THOOLAH! THOOLAH! THOOLAH!
THOOLAH! THOOLAH! THOOLAH!
THOOLAH! THOOLAH! THOOLAH!
THOOLAH! THOOLAH! THOOLAH!
THOOLAH! THOOLAH! THOOLAH!
THOOLAH! THOOLAH! THOOLAH!
- sgt.null
- Jack of Odd Trades, Master of Fun
- Posts: 48338
- Joined: Tue Jul 19, 2005 7:53 am
- Location: Brazoria, Texas
- Has thanked: 7 times
- Been thanked: 10 times
i have your answer for you. since any lyrics would be jarring in th econtext of the land why not hire an instrumental group?
ladies and gentlemen ,,, Explosions in the Sky!
The Earth Is Not A Cold Dead Place
featuring the songs...
Tracklist:
01 - First Breath After Coma
02 - The Only Moment We Were Alone
03 - Six Days at the Bottom of the Ocean
04 - Memorial
05 - Your Hand in Mine
ladies and gentlemen ,,, Explosions in the Sky!
The Earth Is Not A Cold Dead Place
featuring the songs...
Tracklist:
01 - First Breath After Coma
02 - The Only Moment We Were Alone
03 - Six Days at the Bottom of the Ocean
04 - Memorial
05 - Your Hand in Mine
Lenin, Marx
Marx, Lennon
Good Dog...
Marx, Lennon
Good Dog...
- Sherman Landlearner
- Elohim
- Posts: 102
- Joined: Fri May 18, 2012 11:31 am
- Location: New York, USA
Yeah, that's the song.wayfriend wrote:Do you maybe mean 3 Doors Down? "If I go crazy then will you still call me 'Superman'"?
I’m not afraid of Death. What’s he going to do, kill me?
THOOLAH! THOOLAH! THOOLAH!
THOOLAH! THOOLAH! THOOLAH!
THOOLAH! THOOLAH! THOOLAH!
THOOLAH! THOOLAH! THOOLAH!
THOOLAH! THOOLAH! THOOLAH!
THOOLAH! THOOLAH! THOOLAH!
THOOLAH! THOOLAH! THOOLAH!
THOOLAH! THOOLAH! THOOLAH!
THOOLAH! THOOLAH! THOOLAH!
THOOLAH! THOOLAH! THOOLAH!
THOOLAH! THOOLAH! THOOLAH!
THOOLAH! THOOLAH! THOOLAH!
THOOLAH! THOOLAH! THOOLAH!
THOOLAH! THOOLAH! THOOLAH!
- Running Amok
- Servant of the Land
- Posts: 17
- Joined: Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:04 am
I've always thought the music of Krzysztof Penderecki was well suited to this tale - "Symphony #3" and "To Deum" especially, but even his older and better known stuff would fit well in some places. "Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima" seems well suited to the sunbane. It's darker, more somber stuff (much of it has appeared in the soundtracks to "The Shining" and "The Exorcist" to give you some idea).
There's actually a band called Lord Foul. Wouldn't go see them though - too many ravers at his shows! Waka Waka Waka!
- Frostheart Grueburn
- The Gap Into Spam
- Posts: 1827
- Joined: Fri Mar 04, 2011 8:47 pm
- Location: Gianthome
Listened to some Sibelius today (classical)...
Imagine Starfare's Gem riding the waves towards Coercri.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYoJ4fhMlC0
The Giantship was a craft to amaze her heart. It rose above her, dominating the sky as her sight rushed to take it in. [. . .] Honninscrave's shout in answer to Pitchwife's hail echoed off the face of Coercri, making the Grieve resound with welcome for the first time in many centuries. [. . .]
And as soon as the dromond had been secured, the Master and his crew of twoscore Giants swung down ropes and ladders, pounding to the piers.
Imagine Starfare's Gem riding the waves towards Coercri.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYoJ4fhMlC0
The Giantship was a craft to amaze her heart. It rose above her, dominating the sky as her sight rushed to take it in. [. . .] Honninscrave's shout in answer to Pitchwife's hail echoed off the face of Coercri, making the Grieve resound with welcome for the first time in many centuries. [. . .]
And as soon as the dromond had been secured, the Master and his crew of twoscore Giants swung down ropes and ladders, pounding to the piers.
- Welcome
- Servant of the Land
- Posts: 16
- Joined: Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:15 pm
- Location: Alexandria, VA
- Contact:
If anyone's interested, I put together a list of the First and Second Chronicles memorable moments with soundtrack suggestions, including contributions from others. It's at
theland.antgear.com/songs.html
Open to all inputs. Mahalo,
Sandor Szabo
theland.antgear.com/songs.html
Open to all inputs. Mahalo,
Sandor Szabo
Stone and Sea are deep in life
Two unalterable symbols of the world
Permanence at rest and Permanence in motion
Participants in the Power that remains
https://theland.antgear.com
Two unalterable symbols of the world
Permanence at rest and Permanence in motion
Participants in the Power that remains
https://theland.antgear.com
- Running Amok
- Servant of the Land
- Posts: 17
- Joined: Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:04 am
As my sig indicates, there actually is a band called Lord Foul:
www.metal-archives.com/bands/Lord_Foul/13306
The facebook group for a band called "Thomas Covenant":
www.facebook.com/ThomasCovenantMusic
Metal band Cinerary has an album called "Rituals of Desecration":
www.metal-archives.com/albums/Cinerary/ ... ation/1309
The old NWOBHM band Holocaust (Metallica covered some of their stuff on 'Garage Days') made an album called "Covenant"; most of the songs relating to the Chronicles somehow:
www.metal-archives.com/albums/Holocaust/Covenant/11541
www.metal-archives.com/bands/Lord_Foul/13306
The facebook group for a band called "Thomas Covenant":
www.facebook.com/ThomasCovenantMusic
Metal band Cinerary has an album called "Rituals of Desecration":
www.metal-archives.com/albums/Cinerary/ ... ation/1309
The old NWOBHM band Holocaust (Metallica covered some of their stuff on 'Garage Days') made an album called "Covenant"; most of the songs relating to the Chronicles somehow:
www.metal-archives.com/albums/Holocaust/Covenant/11541
There's actually a band called Lord Foul. Wouldn't go see them though - too many ravers at his shows! Waka Waka Waka!
- Frostheart Grueburn
- The Gap Into Spam
- Posts: 1827
- Joined: Fri Mar 04, 2011 8:47 pm
- Location: Gianthome
- hue of fuzzpaws
- <i>Haruchai</i>
- Posts: 616
- Joined: Mon Sep 10, 2007 11:18 am
This is my StarFare Gem music
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEMEUTKVFeU
This is the Starfare Gem leaving Home and making its way across the SunBirth Sea. I always imagine the calling to be Honninscrave shouting his orders. At 2.54 this seems to be the Gem floating along under a night sky with 3.27 as the Sun rises and sheds its light over the Dromond. And at 4.33 the see the coastland of the Land.
This next piece conjures up an altogether bleaker scene.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8MeQ04zLOE
Imagine a white screen and as the music begins it clears to find the Gem battered and trapped in the ice, the Giants dejected and listless. They hold a meeting and Pitchwive becomes the center of attention
Pitchwives flute comes in at 2.33 and slowly they begin to recover. The repetitive beat now signifying the Giants working at various tasks. At about 5.00 they begin work on the sledges and at about 5.35 the party goes on the ice, ready to journey back to the Land. At 5.56 a red flag is hoisted up and at 6.13 the First salutes those on the Gem as they have found themselves again. At 7.10 an overhead camera slowly zooms out as the party leaves and it fades back to a white screen.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEMEUTKVFeU
This is the Starfare Gem leaving Home and making its way across the SunBirth Sea. I always imagine the calling to be Honninscrave shouting his orders. At 2.54 this seems to be the Gem floating along under a night sky with 3.27 as the Sun rises and sheds its light over the Dromond. And at 4.33 the see the coastland of the Land.
This next piece conjures up an altogether bleaker scene.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8MeQ04zLOE
Imagine a white screen and as the music begins it clears to find the Gem battered and trapped in the ice, the Giants dejected and listless. They hold a meeting and Pitchwive becomes the center of attention
Pitchwives flute comes in at 2.33 and slowly they begin to recover. The repetitive beat now signifying the Giants working at various tasks. At about 5.00 they begin work on the sledges and at about 5.35 the party goes on the ice, ready to journey back to the Land. At 5.56 a red flag is hoisted up and at 6.13 the First salutes those on the Gem as they have found themselves again. At 7.10 an overhead camera slowly zooms out as the party leaves and it fades back to a white screen.
"Let's not fight. I don't like fighting" Frostheart Grueburn
- Frostheart Grueburn
- The Gap Into Spam
- Posts: 1827
- Joined: Fri Mar 04, 2011 8:47 pm
- Location: Gianthome
We all wit what a wide-eyed Wagner fanboi the author is...yet has anyone ever compared the various leitmotifs of the operas to the essences of the characters? For instance the hefty notes of Fafner and Fasolt's (giant brothers and the separate halves of Holt Fasner) theme cause images of Honninscrave and Seadreamer to flit across my mental canvas...
youtu.be/c_jfE2XUDug?t=35m20s
I've mentioned my TLD snort-moment elsewhere.
"Ho, Swordmainnir," hailed Rimehilde...
What with their rubenesque appearances, even a lobotomized amoeba ought to be able to draw inspirational parallels...
Opinions?
youtu.be/c_jfE2XUDug?t=35m20s
I've mentioned my TLD snort-moment elsewhere.
"Ho, Swordmainnir," hailed Rimehilde...
What with their rubenesque appearances, even a lobotomized amoeba ought to be able to draw inspirational parallels...

Opinions?
- michaelm
- The Gap Into Spam
- Posts: 1454
- Joined: Wed Aug 20, 2014 6:56 pm
- Location: location, location
I hadn't thought of a soundtrack before...
Maybe there are songs that would work better with slight lyrical changes. How about if the Dropkick Murphys would change one word in 'Shipping up to Boston' to make it 'Shipping up to Coercri'?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rq_Xc3dHh-Y
I see scenes of giants effortlessly working in the rigging...
Maybe there are songs that would work better with slight lyrical changes. How about if the Dropkick Murphys would change one word in 'Shipping up to Boston' to make it 'Shipping up to Coercri'?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rq_Xc3dHh-Y
I see scenes of giants effortlessly working in the rigging...