Triple Crown!

Baseball, Basketball, Footbal, Soccer, Curling, Poker, ect...

Moderators: Lord Mhoram, StevieG, hierachy

Post Reply
User avatar
Fist and Faith
Magister Vitae
Posts: 23565
Joined: Sun Dec 01, 2002 8:14 pm
Has thanked: 6 times
Been thanked: 32 times

Triple Crown!

Post by Fist and Faith »

Miguel Cabrera, with Detroit! First Triple Crown since Yaz in 1967! That's amazing!
All lies and jest
Still a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest
-Paul Simon
User avatar
Menolly
A Lowly Harper
Posts: 24078
Joined: Thu May 19, 2005 12:29 am
Location: Harper Hall, Fort Hold, Northern Continent, Pern...
Has thanked: 1 time
Been thanked: 7 times
Contact:

Post by Menolly »

uh...
You ain't talking horse racing, are ya Fist?

*zoom-zoom*
Image
User avatar
Savor Dam
Will Be Herd!
Posts: 6148
Joined: Mon Mar 02, 2009 7:02 am
Location: Pacific NorthWet
Has thanked: 2 times
Been thanked: 4 times

Post by Savor Dam »

No, Menolly, he is not talking about winning the Kentucky Derby, Preakness Stakes, and Belmont Stakes. Since there might be others not conversant with this bit of American sport, I'll explain...

[pedant]
In baseball, the triple crown is when a player ends the season leading in all three key offensive statistics: batting average, home runs, and runs batted in.
[/pedant]
Love prevails.
~ Tracie Mckinney-Hammon

Change is not a process for the impatient.
~ Barbara Reinhold

A government which robs Peter to pay Paul, can always count on the support of Paul.
~ George Bernard Shaw
User avatar
sgt.null
Jack of Odd Trades, Master of Fun
Posts: 47250
Joined: Tue Jul 19, 2005 7:53 am
Location: Brazoria, Texas
Has thanked: 1 time
Been thanked: 6 times

Post by sgt.null »

it is a geat feat. congrats to Cabrera.

the fact it took 45 years to do since the last highlights how hard it is to do.
Lenin, Marx
Marx, Lennon
Good Dog...
User avatar
Damelon
Lord
Posts: 8545
Joined: Fri Dec 13, 2002 10:40 pm
Location: Illinois
Has thanked: 2 times
Been thanked: 4 times

Post by Damelon »

Congratulations to Cabrera. That's a very difficult feat to accomplish.
Image
User avatar
Menolly
A Lowly Harper
Posts: 24078
Joined: Thu May 19, 2005 12:29 am
Location: Harper Hall, Fort Hold, Northern Continent, Pern...
Has thanked: 1 time
Been thanked: 7 times
Contact:

Post by Menolly »

Savor Dam wrote: In baseball, the triple crown is when a player ends the season leading in all three key offensive statistics: batting average, home runs, and runs batted in.
That is impressive!
Has anyone ever led in all statistics, both offensive and defensive, in a season?

If not, is there an equivalent recognition for a player who ends a season leading in all defensive statistics?
Image
Cybrweez
The Gap Into Spam
Posts: 4804
Joined: Thu Dec 23, 2004 1:26 pm
Location: Jamesburg, NJ

Post by Cybrweez »

Baseball doesn't really have defensive statistics. That are some newer ones used by sabremetrics people, but they aren't generally understood or cared about by fans.

Good work Miguel, hope he doesn't fall off the wagon tho celebrating.
--Andy

"Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur."
Whatever is said in Latin sounds profound.

I believe in the One who says there is life after this.
Now tell me how much more open can my mind be?
User avatar
Menolly
A Lowly Harper
Posts: 24078
Joined: Thu May 19, 2005 12:29 am
Location: Harper Hall, Fort Hold, Northern Continent, Pern...
Has thanked: 1 time
Been thanked: 7 times
Contact:

Post by Menolly »

So things like catching fly balls, tagging players out, fielding and throwing to an out, etc., aren't kept track of?
Image
User avatar
Savor Dam
Will Be Herd!
Posts: 6148
Joined: Mon Mar 02, 2009 7:02 am
Location: Pacific NorthWet
Has thanked: 2 times
Been thanked: 4 times

Post by Savor Dam »

In terms of coaching/management staff tracking opportunities vs. successes, there is probably tracking going on. However, that is a far different matter than there being any sort of public awareness.

Apart from the battery (the pitcher and catcher), there is not really a consistent pattern to which players will be handling the ball defensively on any given at-bat. It all depends on where the batter hits it - if he does - and what runners are on base.

Makes it really hard to have meaningful competitive defensive stats. Offensive stats like batting average, home runs and RBIs are far easier to use for player comparison, since all players (except those AL pitchers...) are pretty much on equal footing.
Love prevails.
~ Tracie Mckinney-Hammon

Change is not a process for the impatient.
~ Barbara Reinhold

A government which robs Peter to pay Paul, can always count on the support of Paul.
~ George Bernard Shaw
User avatar
sgt.null
Jack of Odd Trades, Master of Fun
Posts: 47250
Joined: Tue Jul 19, 2005 7:53 am
Location: Brazoria, Texas
Has thanked: 1 time
Been thanked: 6 times

Post by sgt.null »

and to add to SD's thought - defensive range is hard to measure. Cal Ripken jr and Ozzie Smith both played shortstop but had wildly different approaches and range.

how do you measure an error by both when you didn't expect Cal to get to a ball that he bobbled?
Lenin, Marx
Marx, Lennon
Good Dog...
User avatar
Damelon
Lord
Posts: 8545
Joined: Fri Dec 13, 2002 10:40 pm
Location: Illinois
Has thanked: 2 times
Been thanked: 4 times

Post by Damelon »

Errors are also, in part, subjective. A scorer has to rule them as one and they are not always indisputable.
Image
Cybrweez
The Gap Into Spam
Posts: 4804
Joined: Thu Dec 23, 2004 1:26 pm
Location: Jamesburg, NJ

Post by Cybrweez »

Yea, that's why I think, they never caught on. But teams do have statistics around defense, there are formulas used to figure out players skill in that regard. They just aren't "accepted" by the public, they don't really care. So if no one cares, it generally doesn't get an award.
--Andy

"Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur."
Whatever is said in Latin sounds profound.

I believe in the One who says there is life after this.
Now tell me how much more open can my mind be?
User avatar
sgt.null
Jack of Odd Trades, Master of Fun
Posts: 47250
Joined: Tue Jul 19, 2005 7:53 am
Location: Brazoria, Texas
Has thanked: 1 time
Been thanked: 6 times

Post by sgt.null »

and the gold glove award is a joke, more popularity contest than true reward.
Lenin, Marx
Marx, Lennon
Good Dog...
Post Reply

Return to “Sports”