The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame

Post by **dlbpharmd** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 12:55 am

I've never heard of Badfinger.

Hank Williams in in the HoF? Are you kidding me?

Post by **Cameraman Jenn** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:01 am

I know...doesn't he belong in the C&W Hall of Fame?

Post by **dlbpharmd** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:06 am

I'm pretty sure he is in there.

I've heard alot of criticisms about the Rock HoF in the past - this confirms those criticisms.

Post by **The Laughing Man** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:12 am

Well, getting into the Hall depends on how much influence you've had on the industry and its direction overall, historically perspective, and also depends on your definition of Rock and Roll. Little Richard was rock and roll......hello, Elvis? The definition is very very broad, as much as these criticisms seem very very narrow. Great band does not always equal influential, and rock and roll doesn't require electric guitars and spinning drum kits either......

Post by **lucimay** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:13 am

i couldn't agree more nor have said it better Es.

Post by **sgt.null** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:38 am

boston is crap.

steppenwolf, how much good music did they do again? they would be closer to a one hit wonder than Badfinger.

Bad Company, I'm on the fence. I would agree to Paul Rodgers for the totality of his career.

Post by **Cail** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:10 am

Here's the list.....
www.rockhall.com/hof/allinductees.asp

The problem is, there are people, like Paul Rogers, who have to be in TR&RHoF. I don't think that there's a provision for including individual members of bands, just the bands themselves.

What doesn't make sense is Black Sabbath. The only inductees are the original four members, not Ronnie Dio. Now my question is, why? Did Ozzy keep him out? Ozzy after all refused to be inducted until last year when he realized he wasn't relevant anymore. Was Ronnie offered induction at all? Did Ronnie refuse induction?

Again, you can't have a R&RHoF without Ronnie James Dio in it, and quite frankly I think he should be in for both Rainbow and Sabbath.

Tony Carey's another one. While I love Planet P, they certainly aren't HoF material. But, you let Rainbow in......

Post by **A Gunslinger** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 3:14 am

Cail wrote:C'mon Luci, you can't seriously argue that Badfinger was a rock 'n roll machine. They were a decent band, but they're a footnote in music.

This is what kills me about TR&RHoF...It's supposed to be a hall of fame....That means not everyone gets in, just the cream of the crop. As much as I loathe KISS, it's insane that they're not in, ditto with The Cars, or the other bands I listed.

IOW, just because you've been around more than 25 years (Tom Petty) doesn't mean you get in.

Are you dissn' Petty?! If so, my man, the gloves are OFF!!!

Post by **Sunbaneglasses** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 3:50 am

Cail wrote:For the record, I love Pat Benatar, and want to get real sweaty with her.

Bad Company and Steppenwolf, absolutely.

Boston......I can't be objective about Boston, I really hate 'em.

Perhaps if you go to hell Cail,the devil will torment you by playing Boston at a high volume FOR ALL ETERNITY.Think on that and be dismayed.

Post by **The Laughing Man** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 3:56 am

Cail in Hell: You call this Hell?

Post by **sgt.null** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 4:17 am

if i end up in hell it will be with the turgid piece of crap that is the band Boston. well sometimes they are a steaming pile of crap.

Post by **Sunbaneglasses** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 4:24 am

Hey,on a positive note The Hall of Fame did have the sense to let in AC/DC.

Post by **sgt.null** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 4:47 am

so they go in as a whole? with Bon Scott and the new singer?

Post by **Cail** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:43 am

A Gunslinger wrote:Are you dissn' Petty?! If so, my man, the gloves are OFF!!!

I'm not dissing Petty, even though I feel he's overrated. I just don't think he's HoF material. I'd say the same thing about The Police.

Post by **sgt.null** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 12:44 pm

Rock Hall of Fame names nominees for `07

10/31/2006 3:04 PM, AP
David Bauder

Van Halen is trying to make their biggest "jump" yet — into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, with potential 2007 classmates such as R.E.M., Chic, and Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five.
All are among the nine nominees for enshrinement in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum in Cleveland. A panel of 500 industry experts will select five to be inducted at the annual ceremony, to be held March 12 in New York City.
To be eligible, artists must have issued a first single or album at least 25 years prior to nomination.
Van Halen and R.E.M. came from opposite sides of the 1980s rock 'n' roll spectrum. Led by cartoonish frontman David Lee Roth and fleet-fingered guitarist Eddie Van Halen, the California quartet was a hard rock favorite with songs like "Jump" and "Hot for Teacher." R.E.M., meanwhile, was the quintessential indie rock band until breaking through to mass success in the early 1990s.
Grandmaster Flash led the most innovative act in early hip-hop, and the song "The Message" was like a letter from urban America.
Chic, a funk group led by Bernard Edwards and Nile Rodgers, were one of the few acts to dominate the disco era and emerge with their reputation intact through songs such as the wedding band favorite "Good Times."
Other nominees include Patti Smith, the punk rock poet who recently presided over the closing of New York's legendary CBGB nightclub; British invader the Dave Clark Five; Phil Spector favorites the Ronettes; soul singer Joe Tex; and the Stooges, early home of Iggy Pop.

i would vote for rem and the Stooges

Post by **Cail** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 12:48 pm

Again, explain how Chic and Grandmaster Flash belong in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? All respect to both bands (The Message is the greatest hip-hop rhyme ever), but they're in no way, shape, or form rock.

Post by **sgt.null** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 12:54 pm

not sure either belong in any HoF. but you are right, they ain't rock.

Post by **The Laughing Man** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 12:57 pm

Disk jockey Alan Freed is widely credited with coining the term "rock and roll" to describe the uptempo black R&B records he played as early as 1951 on Cleveland radio station WJW. Freed called himself "the Moondog" and billed his show as the "Moondog Rock ‘n' Roll Party." A tireless and enthusiastic advocate of the music he played, Freed kept time to his favorite records by beating his hands on a phone book. He called it rock and roll because "it seemed to suggest the rolling, surging beat of the music."

Post by **A Gunslinger** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:18 pm

Cail wrote:
A Gunslinger wrote:Are you dissn' Petty?! If so, my man, the gloves are OFF!!!
I'm not dissing Petty, even though I feel he's overrated. I just don't think he's HoF material. I'd say the same thing about The Police.

Well, that's where you'd be ever so WRONG. Petty's influence on rock and roll is not exactly subtle. Bands such as the Foo Fighters and Everclear (potential nominees themselves) to say nothing of REM, Counting Crows, Wallflowers, etc. I'll grant you Petty is not a musical innovator (the in the video format he is), but he is influential, has a grand catalogue, and has nothing to proove to an Iron Maiden fan.

Take that!

Post by **Cail** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:30 pm

Meh, no accounting for taste I suppose. Look, I don't hate Tom Petty by any stretch, but he's not HoF material.

And the whole point of this thread is that the HoF is a joke for exactly that reason. Is Petty on the same level as Zeppelin, Floyd, Sabbath, Skynyrd, or Purple? Absolutely not.

The same reason Jeff Hostettler isn't going to make it into the Football Hall of Fame. Good player, but not the cream of the crop.

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