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Ki wrote:Here's an example, today when it was reported that the Consumer Index increased by 1% (not much, but the experts expected it to decrease), Fox News had it on their website, but CNN did not. I would think that is a very important story for CNN to cover. Are they that incompetent that they would overlook such a story? It may be there now. I'll go look, but it defiinitely wasn't there this morning.
Great example.

Here's what Consumer Reports reports.
February 13, 2009

Despite Washington's efforts to get the economy back on track, American consumers aren't showing much confidence in recovery, according to two measures of consumer sentiment.

The February report by Reuters and the University of Michigan found that consumers didn't like either where the economy is now or where it is heading.
  • U.S. consumer confidence fell to its lowest in three months in February as sentiment grew increasingly gloomy over an economic downturn that most expect to last up to five years, according to the Reuters/University of Michigan Surveys of Consumers.

    "Confidence fell in early February as consumers came to the consensus that the economy would remain in recession throughout 2009," the report said.

    "Moreover, nearly two-thirds anticipated that the downturn would last five more years."

    The Reuters/University of Michigan Surveys of Consumers said its index reading of confidence for February tumbled to 56.2 from 61.2 in January.

    That was the lowest since November, when U.S. stocks hit 11-year lows during one of the worst periods of the current financial crisis. A separate reading in the report showed consumer expectations fell to their lowest since May 1980.
Consumer confidence was also at a low point this week in daily surveys by Rasmussen Reports. The Consumer Index hit all-time lows on Wednesday and Thursday but did rebound a tiny bit on Friday.
I cant find the story on FOX news or FOX Business websites tho.

If they reported something like "Consumer Index Up!" with no context, then THEY are the one that seems biased.
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But you don't know what they posted b/c you didn't look til the day after I posted my point. But go ahead with the assumption that they are bias, even though you have no proof that they are. Rest assured, I am looking. If you are right, I will admit it.
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Dudes !! OBAMISM'S......
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"President Obama and Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper just started their joint news conference, the first such dual podium event for the new president.

The newness is showing - the president began his remarks with, "It's a great pleasure to be here in Iowa - Ottawa."

At least he doesn't call him the President of Canada any longer :)
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The title is a conjecture. All the article showed was that the Fox News story and the Republican press released both relied upon the same media sources. Just because two people quote the same source doesn't mean they are quoting each other. If I quoted an AP story, and Vain quoted an AP story, did I quote Vain? Not necessarily.

But even if I did quote Vain, the reliability of my statement still depends upon the original AP story.

Which typo? I read the article and missed that somehow. [Edit: ah, I see. The 12/19/09 date. I still don't see the problem. The Republicans produce a press release. The "press" actually reports it. So what? Aside from the typo, which part was inaccurate?]
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Just gives you an idea of the level of "investigation," and "source checking" done over at FauxNews, Mal.

SQUEEKY VOICED COPYBOY: Sir, this press release may have a flaw. I'm pretty sure that -

BLUSTERY NEWS EDITOR: Son, let me see that. (reads)

BLUSTERY NEWS EDITOR: Boy, this is a GOP press release. It's gold. Run with it!

COPYBOY: But sir, as I was saying, I don't think this date -

EDITOR: Now you listen here: If the GOP gives us a press release, we run with it! That's the way we've always done it, and that's the way we'll do it now, and in the future! Why, you may hear some talk about reporters having a duty to the people to verify the veracity of releases they're given, to have some backbonewhen the GOP gives us information that might not be true, but I say that they're just...

COPYBOY: BUT SIR! THIS DATE HASN'T ACTUALLY OCCURRED YET!

EDITOR: Gol-Danged LIBERALS! Are you a LIBERAL, son? 'Cause we're far too FAIR and BALANCED to be having any Liberals on our staff with any more backbone than that squeamish, cartoon turtle-looking fellow that follows Hannity around. What was his name again?

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Plissken wrote:Just gives you an idea of the level of "investigation," and "source checking" done over at FauxNews, Mal.
Again: aside from the typo, which part was inaccurate?

All the typo proves is that someone copied and pasted in order to produce the on-screen graphic. It doesn't prove that no "investigation" was performed. Is Fox News supposed to fact check Wall Street Journal?
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Plissken wrote:Just gives you an idea of the level of "investigation," and "source checking" done over at FauxNews, Mal.

SQUEEKY VOICED COPYBOY: Sir, this press release may have a flaw. I'm pretty sure that -

BLUSTERY NEWS EDITOR: Son, let me see that. (reads)

BLUSTERY NEWS EDITOR: Boy, this is a GOP press release. It's gold. Run with it!

COPYBOY: But sir, as I was saying, I don't think this date -

EDITOR: Now you listen here: If the GOP gives us a press release, we run with it! That's the way we've always done it, and that's the way we'll do it now, and in the future! Why, you may hear some talk about reporters having a duty to the people to verify the veracity of releases they're given, to have some backbonewhen the GOP gives us information that might not be true, but I say that they're just...

COPYBOY: BUT SIR! THIS DATE HASN'T ACTUALLY OCCURRED YET!

EDITOR: Gol-Danged LIBERALS! Are you a LIBERAL, son? 'Cause we're far too FAIR and BALANCED to be having any Liberals on our staff with any more backbone than that squeamish, cartoon turtle-looking fellow that follows Hannity around. What was his name again?

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Are press releases from political parties expected to be above reproach to the point that they don't need to be fact-checked before being reported (much less being turned into an onscreen graphic)? At least Rather had two sources - these guys don't need to read a calender?
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Plissken wrote:Are press releases from political parties expected to be above reproach to the point that they don't need to be fact-checked before being reported (much less being turned into an onscreen graphic)? At least Rather had two sources - these guys don't need to read a calender?
With all the attention given this little story, if some kind of inaccuracy (besides the typo) were reported, you'd figure that we would have heard about it by now.

I'm not saying that a press release is beyond reproach. But the entire content of the press release comes from respected news sources. So it's not like they are reporting Republican opinions as fact. They copied an pasted in order to produce a graphic for a story that they obviously developed in less than an hour (the press release came out an hour before the show was aired live).

Sure, it's a little sloppy. But that's different from being inaccurate.

Any comments on the content of the story? How this stimulus bill went from 56 billion to over 800 billion? Or are we going to obsess over Fox News typos in a thread about Obama? Weren't you accusing me of focusing on irrelevant minutia, Pliss, in another thread, as a tactic to ignore the main point? Wouldn't this qualify for exactly that tactic, since the subject here is "Obamisms?"
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That's hysterical!

Almost as hysterical as when McCain's press release about how he won a debate with Obama was leaked out BEFORE the debate even happened. Complete with quotes from people describing why they thought McCain won!

Anyway ... if someone wants to complain that FOX is a Republican mouthpiece, there really isn't any way to straight-facedly deny it any more.

(Presuming that the artical Syl linked to is indeed true. Who knows, it may have been copied from a DNC press release...)
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Malik23 wrote:Is Fox News supposed to fact check Wall Street Journal?
<ali dusts off her bachelors degree in journalism>

Well, um, actually...if they were doing it right, yeah. They can certainly call the same sources the Wall St. Journal used and do their own interviews. But they should also maybe call some other sources and interview them, too.

Or they can clearly give the source of the information by saying: "The Wall Street Journal reported today that..." The technical term is "attribution."

What they cannot do is take a WSJ article and run it verbatim as their own work. The technical term for *that* is "plagiarism."

It's a little different with news releases, which the source sends out in hopes that somebody *will* use it verbatim because it's deliberately slanted to support the source's point of view. A credible news organization would have gotten comments from the Democratic party. That's what's called "fair and balanced reporting".

And yes indeedy, if the news release had come from the Democrats, the news organization should have gotten a Republican response before airing it. Again, "fair and balanced reporting".

If they didn't want to go that route, they could have attributed the whole shebang to the GOP: "The Republican National Committee issued a statement today pointing out how the size of the bailout has gone up, and up, and up." Or something similar. Otherwise they run the risk of being dismissed as a mouthpiece of the Republican party.

At least that's what they taught us in J-school. I guess some news organizations do things differently now.... ;)
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hehe. You guys want to diss Fox when every other msm outlet has sacrificed themselves and their objectivity on the altar of Obama? haha. That's rich :)
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"Smartest woman in the world," Sec. of State Hillary Clinton, gets basic Western history wrong in speech.
Hillary Clinton Rewrites History in Front of Puzzled Europeans

Friday, March 06, 2009
By Bret Baier


Revisionist History

Members of the European Parliament in Brussels were shaking their heads today after Secretary of State Hillary Clinton incorrectly said U.S. democracy is older than Europe's. Clinton compared Europe's multi-party political system to our two-party version: "It is hard enough with two parties to come to any resolution, and I say this very respectfully, because I feel the same way about our own democracy, which has been around a lot longer than European democracy."

Europeans trace their Democratic tradition back thousands of years to the days of classical Greece. Later Secretary Clinton raised eyebrows again when she mispronounced the names of two of her EU counterparts.
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But it wasn't all bad news:

Parliament President Hans-Gert Poettering was effusive in his praise, saying that with the new administration, the United States and Europe once again "share the same values."

"What you said mostly could have been said by a European," he told Clinton after she fielded questions ranging from climate change to energy security and aid to Africa and one on gay rights from a participant wearing an "I love Hillary" t-shirt.
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Nothing against Europeans, but I don't want to be Europe any more than they want to be America. Personally, I have deep misgivings about our leaders sounding identical to Europeans. It makes the charge of "Europeans socialist" (referring to our leaders) just a tad more plausible.
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton went for a little joke today about resetting relations with the Russians, but it turned out the joke was on her.

Clinton, presenting Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov with a gift-wrapped "reset" button, called the "little gift" symbolic of what President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden have been saying about the U.S. and Russia.

""We want to reset our relationship," she said.

Yet something may have been lost in translation in the gift before closed-door talks in Geneva. The word on the button was meant to say "reset" in Russian.

"We worked hard to get the right Russian word," Clinton told Lavrov. "Do you think we got it?"

"You got it wrong," Lavrov replied - the word actually means "overcharge.''
linkThe Secretary of State of the man who made fun of us for our foreign language skills can't even get someone to translate single words into Russian for his Secretary of State??

A man who ran on "Change," who's staff incorrectly translates "reset" into "overcharge" is perhaps a great big symbol for what he meant about "Change" in the first place. :)
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Well, that certainly would impress the Russians to believe we want to overcharge our relationship with them.

Dang, and I'm a Hillary guy :oops:
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"You got it wrong," Lavrov replied - the word actually means "overcharge.''
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Hillary is being guided by Joe Biden. nuff said.
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Obama, unable to speak without a teleprompter telling him what to say, thanks himself when his teleprompter malfunctions and gives him the wrong speech.
We have already discussed in the past that you can speak like a politician with an Obama teleprompter. Yet today Sky News reports that in the course of St. Patrick's Day festivities with Brian Cowen, the Irish prime minister, an apparent Obama teleprompter malfunction leads to dosado between Obama and Cowen, as well as their speeches. Instead of a promenade, however, Obama thanks himself at the end of the speech as he reads the remarks Cowan was supposed to offer up.

Wagging tongues are wondering if we elected a "Teleprompter in Chief" or if perhaps with the presence of the Obama thanks himself video, the endless mirth over George Bush's pronunciation of "nuclear" will cease. Then again, it might take a wardrobe malfunction to affect this kind of change.
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:LOLS:

Clearly a case of habit superceding attention. :lol:

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