The Matrix Reloaded

Post by **Brinn** » Mon Jun 02, 2003 12:38 am

Here's something I've been tossing around...

What if Neo isn't the One?!!?!?? IIRC Neo says to the kid that he "saved" something to effect that he didn't save him and that the kid saved himself...That he woke himself up from the matrix. What if the kid is truly the One? Probably a little far fetched but oh well!

Post by **Fist and Faith** » Mon Jun 02, 2003 12:56 am

Syl,
I hadn't thought that Trinity was in the previous matricies. The Architect says, "The matrix is older than you know." It's possible that each one lasts a few decades. If so, Trinity might have been born during the current one. This would do away with the question of why she did what she did the previous times.

But we still don't know what choice the other Ones had to make. Considering your spoiler, what was behind their Door #2?

Post by **I'm Murrin** » Mon Jun 02, 2003 5:47 pm

Saw Kid's Story last night (in case you want to wait and see it yourself, I'll spoiler):

Spoiler

the Kid freed himself because he rejected the Matrix so strongly and believed what Neo had told him (he never met Neo before his 'self-substantiation' - they spoke through the Kid's computer) so strongly that he woke himself up, but he convinced himself that it was Neo who saved him.

'World Record' is being shown tonight, and judging from the description, it is about another man who frees himself.

Fist - according to Morpheus' speech this particular Zion has existed for 100 years, which is a little too long for that.

Post by **I'm Murrin** » Mon Jun 02, 2003 5:52 pm

Correction:

"World Record" is about an athlete whose inborn physical ability might just prove enough for him to break the bonds of the Matrix, and the Agents have to stop him from realizing that truth.

Post by **Earthfriend** » Mon Jun 02, 2003 11:29 pm

Hey, does someone know how to remove a spoiler

I can't seem to work it out...

Post by **Fist and Faith** » Tue Jun 03, 2003 1:20 am

Not sure what you mean, Earthfriend. If you mean reading what's blacked out, just highlight the section, and the words will show up.

Post by **I'm Murrin** » Tue Jun 03, 2003 6:55 pm

And with each episode, you learn more about how the Matrix works...

A synopsis of World Record (Very detailed! Beware if you don't want to spoil it!):

Spoiler

It begins with a commentary, explaining how there are people who have the willpower and intuition to see the Matrix for what it is, and can free themselves... There are also people who find other ways...
The athlete has set a world record for sprinting, but you are shown a newspaper article saying that the record was revoked after testing positive for drugs. He is talking to someone, who is saying he can't possibly run the next day - but the athlete is convinced he will, and knows he will set a record no-one could ever beat. It also shows a conversation with a reporter, where she quotes someone describing what it's like when they run, talking about why he runs, stuff like that.
At the race, agents are shown all around the arena. As the race begins, you see him take a lead straight away. One of the agents speaks to the others - 'he can not be allowed to wake up'. He pushes himself beyond the limits of his body - you see muscles tearing, pulling apart, but he keeps running, and getting faster. Just as he is about to cross the line, with agents taking over the other runners to catch him, something happens. Suddenly he wakes up in his tank, and all the tubes pull out - a machine comes to him and does something - he screams. Back in the matrix, his body runs over the finish line at a high speed, and he goes crashing along the floor, his legs finally giving in to the damaged muscles. The announcer's voice exclaims his time - 8.74s, a new record.
The final scene shows him in a wheelchair, silent - an agent is watching him with a nurse - he says that the memory of the race as been removed, and he will never run again.
The athlete, who seemed to be a vegetable until this point, starts repeating 'Free!', and stands up, but he collapses again as soon as he takes a step.

I was originally going to just point out a few things about it and discuss them, but then decided to post the full plot of the episode (unfortunately instead of finding one I wrote that myself just now, which is why it's so bad). The athlete pushes himself so hard he goes beyond the limits of the body the matrix has given him - destroying his body in the process, but allowing him to be free of the bonds of the Matrix.
This is, of course, a totally different way of escaping to that shown in 'Kid's Story'.

Post by **CovenantJr** » Tue Jun 03, 2003 10:02 pm

SPOILER-LADEN POST

Fist and Faith wrote:Syl,
I hadn't thought that Trinity was in the previous matricies. The Architect says, "The matrix is older than you know." It's possible that each one lasts a few decades. If so, Trinity might have been born during the current one. This would do away with the question of why she did what she did the previous times.

But we still don't know what choice the other Ones had to make. Considering your spoiler, what was behind their Door #2?

I think the exact details of the 'story' each time were different, and just the major elements remained the same. War against machines, Zion, someone searches for the One and pulls him out, the One goes into the core (or whatever they called it), chooses door #1. Since humans are born and die naturally, as ever, you couldn't possibly have the same characters over and over.

Post by **I'm Murrin** » Wed Jun 04, 2003 6:33 pm

I finally got my copy of The Animatrix today! At last I got to watch 'A Detective Story', 'Program', and the final episode, which for some reason was never even mentioned online or on TV, 'Matriculated'.

Spoiler

Matriculated was an important episode, because it really sheds some light on the AI that exist in the matrix world - The short is about a group of humans living on the surface, who attract machines to their base on purpose. They capture the machines using other machines, and then they use an unusual machine to jack themselves and the machine into a training program - with which they confuse the machine, and convince it that they are it's friends, and even that it loves them - and through this, without any re-programming at all (they are against re-programming because that would make the machines slaves - they want them to join 'of their own free will', although they do kinda brainwash them), the machines join their side and help defend them from other machines.

Post by **Fist and Faith** » Wed Jun 04, 2003 10:36 pm

I got mine yesterday! Unfortunately, I couldn't find the #%*&^@# remote, so couldn't watch it last night!!!! I tried today, but my 7 yo boy was with me, so I had to keep skipping to the next episode very quickly, because of nasty violence or what I assumed was going to be fairly explicit sex.

I'm pretty vague now, but,

Spoiler

I didn't think Kid's Story was so bad, and we watched that one. And WOW! Is this kid going to be more powerful than Neo in Revolutions??? What an extraordinary thing for him to do! Trinity said she didn't think that self-substantiation was possible, and I wouldn't have thought so either. In the first movie, before he met Trinity and Morpheus, Neo knew that things were somehow wrong. But the Kid!!! I can't wait to see where this goes!! But I frankly think they are being idiots for not training him intensely all the time. Why is someone who freed himself the way he did begging to carry bags?

Post by **Fist and Faith** » Thu Jun 05, 2003 11:23 am

OK, I've seen the whole dvd now, and I'm pretty thrilled!

I'm obviously a big fan of the whole Matrix thing, and the info in these featurettes is fantastic!! Some are great for filling in some spots, and some are just great new stories.

And they're so beautiful to watch!! Each one done by different people, so you see so many different interpretations. And the first, Final Flight of the Osiris, is the computer generated one, and it's pretty amazing. (In the beginning of Reloaded, they're arguing if the information about the machines tunneling down is accurate, information they got from the Osiris. Great story!)

Post by **I'm Murrin** » Thu Jun 05, 2003 5:49 pm

Apparently the game 'Enter The Matrix' fills in bits between 'Final Flight' and 'Reloaded', and some pieces of 'Reloaded' we didn't get to actually see in the movie.

Post by **The Leper Fairy** » Fri Jun 06, 2003 12:54 am

Erm, I just saw it.

I didn't really like it. But before you kill me, hear me out.
1.) I watched a downloaded version a computer
2.) I didn't see all of the first one
3.) I don't really like those kind of movies.

I think the main reason was #1... oh well.

Post by **Skyweir** » Fri Jun 06, 2003 4:14 am

lol .. haha ..

I saw matrix re-loaded last night and loved it .. like WOW!! it was brilliant .. How purely briliant .. I loved it .. it was sooo information rich!

Touched on some really interesting concepts .. like how the prophecy was a part of the construct that created the matrix .. very clever indeed .. and the oracle was a rogue programme that was initially placed to secure control of the human mind ..

oh my god it was soo clever .. I cant wait to see the next one!! I think Neo's change .. that he did not only harnass a power in the matrix but also out of it .. [ie: when he battled the machines] .. is interesting .. so maybe this will see him realsing Morpheus faith .. at the end of the day anyway ..

I loved it and cant wait to see it again ..

and the chemistry between Neo and Trinity was dynamic!! Carrie-anne Moss is brilliant - she has presence .. and Reeves is as ever perfect for the role of Neo!!

10+/10 .. great .. excellent .. brilliant .. thought provoking .. dynamic!!

Post by **Fist and Faith** » Fri Jun 06, 2003 4:26 am

I'm a bit confused...
Do Skyweir and I agree on something???

ROFL!!!

Post by **Brinn** » Fri Jun 06, 2003 12:37 pm

Fist,

Quick, Grab a paper bag and start breathing into it. Eventually you'll begin to feel better. I remember when Sky first agreed with me...very disorienting!

Post by **Fist and Faith** » Fri Jun 06, 2003 9:35 pm

Post by **The Leper Fairy** » Wed Jun 11, 2003 6:44 am

Ok, when Neo is talking to the Architect, there are those talking pictures of him on the walls. My friend thought that they were the ones that came before him. I said that they were all of Neo's possible responses since earlier in the movie they were talking about choices... Who's right?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Jun 11, 2003 10:57 am

I think - big emphasis on think - that the images in the tv's were what was happening in Neo's head at that moment, as he was talking to the architect.

So, in a way, you were right Leper Fairy.

Those images were all the different responses Neo had to what he was being told, from which he selected which one he wanted to articulate.

By the by, i really disliked that particular scene.

I thought they used big words just for the sake of them, and to try and disguise the fact that it really wasn't all that complicated a plot.

Post by **Earthfriend** » Wed Jun 11, 2003 10:59 am

^^^^ that was me. Doh!

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