Wild Magic question.

[Ur Dead]

Of all the people who have held the TC's White Gold Ring.

Thomas Covenant
Hile Troy
A Loremaster at Trothguard
Linden Avery
and Lord Foul
(what I remember)

That only the ones who where from the outside, invoked the Wild Magic.
Many have covet the White Gold but can be possible that only someone not of the world can bring Wild Magic from the ring?

[dlbpharmd]

I believe that anyone who received the ring from Covenant could have evoked wild magic from it.

[wayfriend]

There is a lot, lot, lot of good information in the GI about this.

But you are correct in that the white gold tends to be used by people from outside the land.

I think the reason for this is more thematic than physical. The people of the Land (of the Earth) don't have the capacity to save themselves, which is the reason for Covenant coming in the first place. Wild magic is Covenant's power. If the people of the Land were capable of that kind of power, then they would not have needed Covenant.

Another way of looking at it is, white gold is foreign to the Land, it is not foreign to those from outside the Land. Therefore is is more readilly used as a "means of articulation" by those outsiders, but unlikely by those inside. Familiarity is part of the principle involved.

[JD]

Lord Foul used Wild Magic at the end of White Gold Wielder. He blasted Covenant as he was guarding the Arch.

[ninjaboy]

Aaah - but is LF from the world of the Land?? Creation stories suggest LF existed before the Creator made the Land, and he attempted to trap LF in there..

Maybe because he's not from the Land he can use the White Magic..

[Relayer]

Not only the creation stories. Foul keeps talking about freeing himself from the Land...

[Ur Dead]

Which poses another question:

Is it only an outsider that can destory the Arch of Time. Are the inhabitant of the Land limited in their ability to invoke total destruction?
It could be, since they are attuned to the needs of the Land from birth.

[amanibhavam]

The Arch was created first, to contain everything that was created afterwards. Therefore I believe anybody who belongs to that worlds is inherently incapable to destroy the Arch from within, and if somehow the capacity is gained (with the help of wild magic etc.) then the person himself would cease to exist. Hence

Spoiler

the croyel may be mistaken in its belief that it can escape outside the Arch via a Jeremiah-wormhole and become eternal. LF can do that. Roger can do that, they are both from outside.

[SGuilfoyle1966]

My take on the white gold, kind of wht I'd like to see, somehow, is that how everybody all along is wrong.
that the solution will lie in the end with Covenant completely.
Because the white wild magic gold, as it is called in the poem from the old lords.
Because there is wild magic graven in every rock contained for white gold to unleash and wield.
And because, yeah, there are a couple of rings out there, but TC, "YOU ARE THE WHITE GOLD."
Mhoram always says the important things.

[amaranth]

Are we absolutely sure that Mhoram was absolutely certain when he said that? Could he not have just been taking a wild stab in the dark? "You are the white gold," could just be a reference to the theme of "believe in yourself." Right?

Let us say that (because Donaldson seems to use a lot of religious references in the book) LF is the reference to the Devil and the Devil's banishment from heaven into hell is the equivelant of what happened at the creation of the Land. Anyone outside Hell (from heaven), having the ability to use God's power, is able to destroy the Arch of Time but those inside Hell aren't because they're banished and the one from the outside is completely free.
When God banished the Devil from Heaven, did the Devil take the part of him that gave him the opportunity to use the wild magic (heaven's aura/power)?

[Edit: My thinking tanks suck, haha.]

Thomas Covenant himself says (I believe) that the White Gold being given onto someone else by the owner is the one who has the sole right to use and manipulate the Wild Magic. Could that be the reason?

[wayfriend]

Mhoram did NOT say, "Only you are the white gold."

[thefirst]

No he didn't, but as the wild magic/white gold are essentially a paradox, and Covenant himself, is more quintessentially more of a paradox than anyone else in the tale, it would seem condign. Also, I don't believe that it would be titled The last Chronicles of Thomas Covenant, if he were not the crux of the story itself. Linden has always needed him on several levels, she repeatedly reflects how his actions concerning Joan are what inspired and humbled her. Also, I do not think that Joan can "be the white gold" because among other things, she's insane, and she's never believed in anything from what I can tell. Covenant, is the paradox, his very existence has always been a contradiction. "Save or damn the earth"

[thefirst]

Do I hear crickets?

[shadowbinding shoe]

Elena also started to use the white gold ring in her scene by the Colossus. But she's a half breed (with blood from our world). And in the One Tree Kasreyn managed to use Covenant's wild magic with golden rings of his own.

I always wondered about the croyel. Do they belong inherently to the Land or did they come from the outside like the stars/elohim? So if the croyel was the one who enabled Kasreyn to use the wild magic maybe there's no contradiction.

[Blackhawk]

Of all the people who have held the TC's White Gold Ring.

Thomas Covenant
Hile Troy
A Loremaster at Trothguard
Linden Avery
and Lord Foul
(what I remember)

That only the ones who where from the outside, invoked the Wild Magic.
Many have covet the White Gold but can be possible that only someone not of the world can bring Wild Magic from the ring?

the lorewarden passed the ring around so everyone could touch it i think or he may have just showed it to them. the only time the ring was used was in times of passion. TC and the Illearth stone... Hile troy screaming and firing a blast in his attempt to go to Elena. and Elena was tryiing to destroy the Colosus and kaseryn did use the rings to catch white gold and multiply the blasts power, and linden during the healing of the land and to prevent Elohim from touching it. if the lords had touched it the oath of peace may have prevented the ability to unlock it. as it was with the krill..and the krill lit up for white gold/TC and Mhoram when he realised that power could be used and turned into something other than despair, oh..and it helped Prothall call down the firelions when Bannor made TC touch the Staff of Law, Indirect contact though. this is the wrong room for me right now...i still need to read FR...bye