Nationstates - Have You Got What It Takes?

[lucimay]

i need the andelain pw.

[Avatar]

I just sent it to you.

--A

[Menolly]

...and its currency is the wgd.

heh

There's no threat of war?
And you get to run the country?
Sounds like a liberal's wet dream!

Supposedly, nationstates2.net will include war, once it launches...

New Bactra's national animal is the dragon, which teeters on the brink of extinction due to widespread deforestation...

Our dragons both suffer from the same threat. We must get them placed on a world-wide endangered list.

[Avatar]

Right...voting on the WA proposal ends on the 6th of August.

Acknowledging that the recognition of the rights of sapients under international law remains a contentious issue within these halls;

Applauding the efforts of nations to extend essential rights and freedoms to non-human sapients in their own territories, and to lobby on behalf of non-human sapients on the global stage;

Affirming that all sapient creatures deserve the same rights and freedoms extended to humans, and that all sentient beings are deserving of protection under international law;

Noting that this legislation applies only to natural biological sapient species:

Defines "sapience" as independent capacity for wisdom, judgment, the formation of rational, abstract or logical thoughts, and the ability to communicate these thoughts with others;

Defines "sentience" as the ability to perceive consciousness or self-awareness, an intelligence that does not necessarily rise to the level of sapience;

Declares that member nations shall determine which biological species residing in their own borders possess sentient or sapient qualities, provided that the process involved is fair and even-handed and excludes potential conflicts of interest, that all available valid and confirmed scientific evidence is taken into account, and that denials of sentient or sapient status can be appealed to a higher, disinterested official or body within the government;

Requires member states to extend rights, freedoms, privileges and entitlements, on a par with those guaranteed to humans under international law, to all sapient species under their jurisdiction;

Obligates member states to take all prudent and necessary measures to protect all sentient creatures under their jurisdiction from deliberate, unprovoked harm, violence, killings, or extermination.

Votes For: 2,241

Votes Against: 1,913

I move that the region of Andelain vote against the proposal. Although we are vehemently opposed to the cruel or unethical treatment of animals, we nonetheless feel that the proposal as it stands is far too vague in defining terms like "wisdom" "judgement" and "rational thought."

Furthermore, the extension of rights to spaient, but non-sentient beings as proposed seems to suggest that dolphins, for example, will be able to own property, vote, etc. Clearly ridiculous.

What say you all?

--A

[Stutty]

The Confederacy of Stutt
"Above all else education....or maybe beer it's close"



Category: Corporate Bordello
Civil Rights: Below Average
Economy:Very Strong
Political Freedoms: Superb
Location: the Pacific
Regional Influence: Minnow

The Confederacy of Stutt is a tiny, economically powerful nation, renowned for its absence of drug laws. Its hard-working, intelligent population of 5 million are effectively ruled by a group of massive corporations, who run for political office and provide their well-off citizens with world-class goods and services. Their poorer citizens, however, are mostly starving to death while being urged to go out and get real jobs. The populace has reasonably extensive civil rights, although these are mostly aimed at allowing them to buy whatever they like.

There is no government in the normal sense of the word; however, a small group of community-minded, corrupt, pro-business individuals juggles the competing demands of Social Welfare, Defence, and Commerce. Income tax is unheard of. A robust private sector is led by the Retail, Gambling, and Furniture Restoration industries.

Crime is a serious problem, probably because of the country's utter lack of prisons. Stutt's national animal is the horse, which teeters on the brink of extinction due to widespread deforestation, and its currency is the tap.

[Prebe]

I concur Avatar, and I have voted. Have we elected a representative from Andelain?

[[Syl]]

I vote against the proposal because of the non-biological exclusion.

[Stutty]

There is little danger in this law, as it appears to be fluff which would have no real affect on the good citizens of Stutt. At best, it's meaningless. At worst, it's a slippery slope to unreasonable humane treatment of animal laws.

We vote against.

Regarding the establishment of a delegate, we maintain that such a mechanism already exists. For now, we intend to endorse the nation who's politics we agree with. Should someone wish to campaign for election they certainly have the right. But in interest of simplicity it seems to us there is no need for an elaborate, nominate, confirm, vote, etc. etc. process.

w/r

Chancellor and High Meklinor of the Conferderacy of Stutt

[Menolly]

The Illumined concurs with the statements so far regarding the WA resolution. We are still interested in learning if any nation is interested in being Andelain's WA representative.

[Plissken]

So, as long as the sapiens protection doesn't interfere with anything at all, it may be implemented?

No.

[rdhopeca]

I have withdrawn my vote and will vote against, and will generally agree to wait for discussion before voting in the future.

What exactly does being the delegate entail?

[stonemaybe]

a new forum wow!

[Cail]

Your welcome (and you can thank Danlo too). I figured a new forum was more appropriate than the Tank.

[danlo]

I propose the tiny stinky nation of Slobeania that comprises the delta of the majestic river through which all crap doth flow-
Ruler-Oscar the Grouch
Religion-staring at plastic Dixie spoons
Hero/Gods-Ed Norton and Fred Sanford
motto: you may never know where we get our methane

[balon!]

Awesome.

All I need now is the password.

The Community of The Olywa
"Oly! Oly! Oly!"

Category: Liberal Democratic Socialists
Civil Rights: Excellent
Economy: Struggling
Political Freedoms: Excessive
Location: The North Pacific

Regional Influence: Minnow

The Community of The Olywa is a tiny, socially progressive nation, remarkable for its absence of drug laws. Its intelligent population of 5 million love a good election, and the government gives them plenty of them. Universities tend to be full of students debating the merits of various civil and political rights, while businesses are tightly regulated and the wealthy viewed with suspicion.

The government -- a sprawling, bureaucracy-choked, corrupt, socially-minded morass -- juggles the competing demands of Education, Social Welfare, and Healthcare. The average income tax rate is 42%, but much higher for the wealthy. Private enterprise is illegal, but for those in the know there is a slick and highly efficient black market in Basket Weaving.

Crime is relatively low. The Olywa's national animal is the geoduck, which frolics freely in the nation's many lush forests, and its currency is the dollar.

[I'm Murrin]

Don't think we need a whole forum to discuss an off-site game, but meh.

[danlo]

It's off site??8O Bah, let the kids have their summer(winter) fun! Besides I can change it with Xar once he shows up...

[Menolly]

danlo, nationstates.net is the site. But we are using this thread (and can use this forum now) to debate regional issues before voting in what is known as the World Assembly on that site.

Thank you.

[danlo]

OK, no problem...uh, gamers

[Avatar]

Well I think it's awesome. Thanks danlo. Could you move the "nationstates.net" thread from Gravin Threndor into here as well please?

--A