What if a baby accidentally said, "Nom"?
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What if a baby accidentally said, "Nom"?
Just a thought! Baby babbling - it's possible one of the Sandgorgon's names could be said.
What would happen?
Pete.
What would happen?
Pete.
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I think that when you say a sandgorgons name you have to know that that's what it is.
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And that's why it's a good thing TC wasn't french.
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it was hergrom... i think... right? :s now i have a suspision that it was cail god damn you! my inevitable correctness is ruined!!!
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No - you were right, it was Hergrom. If it had been Cail, he probably would'nt have survived till the last book. Hergrom ended up dead, because he said the name. Ceer ended up with a shattered leg because he tried to help Hergrom, but NOM wasn't allowed to kill Ceer, because of the nature of the Sandgorgons Doom. The Gorgons could only escape the vortex if their name was spoken, and then once they killed that unlucky soul, they were not allowed to harm anyone or anything else. They were immediately drawn back to the Doom. Ceer could have stood right next to Hergrom and done nothing, and he would have been fine. He was injured because he interfered.
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But Hergrom knew that he was speaking the name of a sandgorgon and that that would summon the creature to punish him, because the Kemper told him so. A baby wouldn't understand that.Navarino wrote:I can't remember the name of the haruchai who Kasreyn forced to say "Nom", but I doubt he knew the significance of the word at the time, and therefore would have had no 'intent' to summon the Sandgorgon.
Therefore, dead baby.
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In the name of their ancient pride and humiliation, they had made commitments with no possible outcome except bereavement.
He knew only that they had never striven to reject the boundaries of themselves.
In the name of their ancient pride and humiliation, they had made commitments with no possible outcome except bereavement.
He knew only that they had never striven to reject the boundaries of themselves.
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I always found Hergrom's behavior in this scene to be a very interesting insight into the general character of the Haruchai. Through most of the Chrons, we are only ever exposed to Haruchai who do what they do because of a Vow they've taken. All of the Bloodguard, obviously, had the strictures of their Vow to act upon. The second Chrons Haruchai were much the same. They swore a Vow, and thus, their duty was very clear to them. We get very few, if any, other chances to see Haruchai acting outside the boundaries of a very specific set of duties. But in this one instance, we get another tiny glimpse into the Haruchai mind. Hergrom fisrt refused to say the name that would kill him. But when the life of an innocent woman was threatened, a woman who was not counted among the companions of the quest, a woman who was a servant to one who was obviously a threat to the company, and specifically to Hergrom himself, a woman who was not even of the Land, still he was willing to risk his life to protect an innocent.
Not that any of us ever doubted such would be the case if a like situation ever occured, but it was cool to see just such a situation played out. Hergrom died for Lady Alif as much as for any member of the company, because he saw her as an innocent, and he could not do otherwise. It never would have even crossed his mind to allow this woman to die to reduce danger to himself. The very definition of a hero. Hergrom of the Haruchai, HAIL!
*sigh* I think I got my point across, but that really was pretty garbled wasn't it? I have so much going on right now, all logical point-to point discourse has fled me.
Not that any of us ever doubted such would be the case if a like situation ever occured, but it was cool to see just such a situation played out. Hergrom died for Lady Alif as much as for any member of the company, because he saw her as an innocent, and he could not do otherwise. It never would have even crossed his mind to allow this woman to die to reduce danger to himself. The very definition of a hero. Hergrom of the Haruchai, HAIL!
*sigh* I think I got my point across, but that really was pretty garbled wasn't it? I have so much going on right now, all logical point-to point discourse has fled me.
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Nah, very well said. I haven't thought about that in a long time.
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I found this worth repeating.birdandbear wrote:I always found Hergrom's behavior in this scene to be a very interesting insight into the general character of the Haruchai. Through most of the Chrons, we are only ever exposed to Haruchai who do what they do because of a Vow they've taken. All of the Bloodguard, obviously, had the strictures of their Vow to act upon. The second Chrons Haruchai were much the same. They swore a Vow, and thus, their duty was very clear to them. We get very few, if any, other chances to see Haruchai acting outside the boundaries of a very specific set of duties. But in this one instance, we get another tiny glimpse into the Haruchai mind. Hergrom fisrt refused to say the name that would kill him. But when the life of an innocent woman was threatened, a woman who was not counted among the companions of the quest, a woman who was a servant to one who was obviously a threat to the company, and specifically to Hergrom himself, a woman who was not even of the Land, still he was willing to risk his life to protect an innocent.
Not that any of us ever doubted such would be the case if a like situation ever occured, but it was cool to see just such a situation played out. Hergrom died for Lady Alif as much as for any member of the company, because he saw her as an innocent, and he could not do otherwise. It never would have even crossed his mind to allow this woman to die to reduce danger to himself. The very definition of a hero. Hergrom of the Haruchai, HAIL!