Led Zeppelin, the greatest band in history?
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Cail, not sure about Def Leppard's earlier albums, but I think Pyromania is very much Zeppelin-like. FWIW
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That's an interesting list Cail. I would swap Presence and IV, other than that its identical.Cail wrote:In order:
Presence
Physical Graffiti
I
II
IV
III
Houses of the Holy
In Through the Out Door
Coda
But it's all relative. As I've said before, I don't think there's a bad Zeppelin song, and I'd rather listen to my least favorite than nearly anything else.
Put it this way, I'm a huge Floyd fan, but there's a lot of their songs that I flat-out don't like (most of the pre-DSotM stuff).
Edit-I'm literally sitting here looking over all the Zep songs, and I can't find a single one that I don't like.
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Over a million people registered now for ticket draw for London show!
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7004178.stm
Seeing this, I'm sure someone will offer them billions to do a tour....
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7004178.stm
Seeing this, I'm sure someone will offer them billions to do a tour....
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Really? Production-wise, sort of. But lyrically they're completely different. I'm curious, what is it about Pyromania that you find Zep-ish? Seriously, 'cause it'll give me an excuse to listen to it again with new ears.exnihilo wrote:Cail, not sure about Def Leppard's earlier albums, but I think Pyromania is very much Zeppelin-like. FWIW
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Cail, on further review I think you are correct about the AC/DC influence being preponderant. The two tracks I was thinking about (Photograph and Foolin'), Joe Elliot sounds like Bon Scott trying to sound like Robert Plant, and while there are some acoustic elements (Zeppelin-like) it is set to an AC/DC like straight-ahead driving rhythm. The rest of the tracks are pretty much like AC/DC all around. I could compare it to LZII but we all know that is not a typical Zeppelin album.
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The last track of Def Leppard's first album, "Overture". I'm not even sure if it's a ripoff of Led Zep or a precursor of Yngwie Malmsteen.
It's not a bad song, but it's derivative almost to the point of absurdity.
PS For anyone who sees that as a joke, Def Leppard were a pretty damn good band during their first two albums ("On through the night" and "High and Dry"). They used to back the Sex Pistols and such when punk was starting. Between their second and third albums they fired a genius teenaged alcoholic guitarist called Pete Willis and brought in about the most commercial musician they could find (phil collen). After that (Pyromania and beyond) they were, erm, pitifully "well-crafted"...
That said, their first album is a Zep clone, if you substitute sci-fi themes for Robert Plant's Tolkien fixation.
And their second album is pretty much an AC/DC ripoff. Although, personally, I'd argue that it is better than even Back in Black on that score.
They were good, if not particularly original, before they became the epitome of '80s commercialism. Very, very, very, damned good.
IMHO. *shrugs*
It's not a bad song, but it's derivative almost to the point of absurdity.
PS For anyone who sees that as a joke, Def Leppard were a pretty damn good band during their first two albums ("On through the night" and "High and Dry"). They used to back the Sex Pistols and such when punk was starting. Between their second and third albums they fired a genius teenaged alcoholic guitarist called Pete Willis and brought in about the most commercial musician they could find (phil collen). After that (Pyromania and beyond) they were, erm, pitifully "well-crafted"...
That said, their first album is a Zep clone, if you substitute sci-fi themes for Robert Plant's Tolkien fixation.
And their second album is pretty much an AC/DC ripoff. Although, personally, I'd argue that it is better than even Back in Black on that score.
They were good, if not particularly original, before they became the epitome of '80s commercialism. Very, very, very, damned good.
IMHO. *shrugs*
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Here's my top 3 Zep albums:
1) Houses of the Holy (I think the individual songs are more inspired than IV, but "The Crunge" keeps it from perfection)
2) Led Zeppelin IV (for all its adulation/claims of being overrated, I think every song is stellar, and the album has the most consistent feel)
3) Physical Graffiti (it has "Kashmir", but it also has the filler that seems to be a pre-requisite of every double album)
And my top 5 Zep songs:
1) Dancing Days (the opening riff and the organ at the end; 'nuff said)
2) Kashmir (I don't think a song mesmerized me more upon first listening)
3) When the Levee Breaks (true "urban blues"...Bonham's drum is the clincher)
4) No Quarter
5) What Is and What Should Never Be
1) Houses of the Holy (I think the individual songs are more inspired than IV, but "The Crunge" keeps it from perfection)
2) Led Zeppelin IV (for all its adulation/claims of being overrated, I think every song is stellar, and the album has the most consistent feel)
3) Physical Graffiti (it has "Kashmir", but it also has the filler that seems to be a pre-requisite of every double album)
And my top 5 Zep songs:
1) Dancing Days (the opening riff and the organ at the end; 'nuff said)
2) Kashmir (I don't think a song mesmerized me more upon first listening)
3) When the Levee Breaks (true "urban blues"...Bonham's drum is the clincher)
4) No Quarter
5) What Is and What Should Never Be
Trapper, I totally agree about Pete Willis. His playing was phenomenal, and the band was never the same afterwards. I've said it before, but I think High n' Dry is the greatest hard rock album ever recorded. It's been a long time since I've listened to On Through the Night, but now that I think about it, "Answer to the Master" is pretty Zep-ish.
While I can't and won't argue that they became commercial monsters, they remained an excellent band, though to my mine, they were never better than on High n' Dry.
While I can't and won't argue that they became commercial monsters, they remained an excellent band, though to my mine, they were never better than on High n' Dry.
"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." - PJ O'Rourke
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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Cail, I'd never really thought about "High and Dry" in best-hard-rock-album-ever terms. But now that you mention it, I really can't think of one I'd place higher.Cail wrote:Trapper, I totally agree about Pete Willis. His playing was phenomenal, and the band was never the same afterwards. I've said it before, but I think High n' Dry is the greatest hard rock album ever recorded. It's been a long time since I've listened to On Through the Night, but now that I think about it, "Answer to the Master" is pretty Zep-ish.
While I can't and won't argue that they became commercial monsters, they remained an excellent band, though to my mine, they were never better than on High n' Dry.
Excellent call, IMO.
Glad you agree...
I don't think there's a weak song on it. It was cool, when I saw them about 5 years ago, they opened the show with the entire first side of the freakin' album!.
I don't think there's a weak song on it. It was cool, when I saw them about 5 years ago, they opened the show with the entire first side of the freakin' album!."There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." - PJ O'Rourke
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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I've never heard either album. Guess I'd better do something about it. 
A moment of silence for John Bonham, who drank himself to death 27 years ago today.
"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." - PJ O'Rourke
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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I like two of them, but 'Battle of Evermore' is officially my least favorite Zep tune by a large margin. Notice how I said 'my least favorite' rather than saying it was the worst one, ever. Because making statements of opinion look like statements of fact is just plain silly, in my opinion, which just so happens to be fact in this and every other instance.The Dreaming wrote:Achilles Last Stand
Battle of Evermore
When the Levee Breaks
By far the best zep songs, among their most overlooked.
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"Thank You" is hands down my favorite. If some guy had written that to me he would get lucky EVERY day for the rest of his life. 
Now if I could just find a way to wear live bees as jewelry all the time.....
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Definitely one of my all-time favorite Zep tunes too.Cameraman Jenn wrote:"Thank You" is hands down my favorite. If some guy had written that to me he would get lucky EVERY day for the rest of his life.
Cail, this is your cue. Call Jenn and sing it to her...
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I was very excited to see that the cds for Song Remains the Same were going to be released in a remastered, expanded version soon. More live Zep is always a good thing.
I also saw a new compilation, Mothership, is being released around the same time. This one also indicates that it is remastered. Does anyone know if this is the same remastering jobs that were done in the mid-90s for the box sets, or if this is a new remastering?
I also saw a new compilation, Mothership, is being released around the same time. This one also indicates that it is remastered. Does anyone know if this is the same remastering jobs that were done in the mid-90s for the box sets, or if this is a new remastering?