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I wish I had a good answer for that. I think it's sort of like Battered Wife Syndrome. There's a good premise here, and every once in a while the show sets me back on my heels. But as a series, this show gets a weak "C" at best.
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Julie and I predicted some five deaths apiece. Dull mid season ending.
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That was a seriously kick-ass episode on Sunday night. Very gratifying - especially the bazooka incident. It felt like they dropped a couple of lines, but overall it was one of the best nights in a while. I wonder how long Rick's new found hope can survive. I don't think they're staying in Alexandria buy they haven't been forced to leave ... yet.
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wayfriend wrote:That was a seriously kick-ass episode on Sunday night. Very gratifying - especially the bazooka incident. It felt like they dropped a couple of lines, but overall it was one of the best nights in a while. I wonder how long Rick's new found hope can survive. I don't think they're staying in Alexandria buy they haven't been forced to leave ... yet.
I agree. We kept saying, "dayyyyyum!" over and over.

Really strong episode.
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I guess if you like exploding bikers and kids getting eaten alive, it was a strong episode. I though it was a jump the shark episode. It felt campy. How many times did someone almost get killed before someone else showed up in the nick of time with a gun and a one-liner? "Nibble on that!" I like it when the action sets up character development, not when it makes me go "dayyuumm." It was so over the top, I kept expecting certain parts to be a dream sequence.
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All I can say is: you got a group called the Saviors, and a guy called Jesus, how unrelated can they really be?
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Well, I didn't see that episode coming. Great Carol episode; the complexity the show is revealing of her serves it's overarching theme very well. IMO, it seems like Morgan has "infected" her with a point of view she is struggling to incorporate; but it's a good question as to whether she is regaining some humanity ground or if she's just going bonkers. (And it's perfect that we have to wonder.) That scene at the beginning, about "carrying that" and "as if you did it yourself" seems poignant in light of all this. Carol is strong, I see her emerging from this.
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Yeah, that was a brutal ep. Maggie sure surprised me, too. I don't expect her to say things like, "We have to finish this."
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Also fun was meeting Alicia Witt after the show (on Talking Dead) - such a fun, exuberant person, pleasantly unexpected after watching her act as a machiavellian warlord.
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I don't watch Talking Dead but didja know Alicia Witt was the little girl in Dune?

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(Abomination!)

No! I thought she was one of the daughters from 8 Simple Rules. But that was (IMDB tells me) Amy Davidson. But (now that I looked it up) she was the daughter on Cybill, which explains that "I've seen her before" feeling. Alia Atreides is way a cooler connection, but I don't think I coulda made that on my own.

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wayfriend wrote:Also fun was meeting Alicia Witt after the show (on Talking Dead) - such a fun, exuberant person, pleasantly unexpected after watching her act as a machiavellian warlord.
I never watch that, but happened upon it this week. I concur, she was a pleasure to watch. I've liked her in everything I've seen of hers, and no, I had no idea she was in Dune.
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I guess that was a connecting ep last night. I guess we wait and see what we're connecting to.

"I can't love anyone, because I can't kill for anyone."

Now that's poignant. (Someone should tell her to read The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant.)

Will the cliff hanger due in 2 episodes be about conflicted, pacifistic Carol needing rescue from Dwight? (Funny, you can search for just "Carol" in Google News and Walking Dead stories are the top hits.)

[ok, more.] This show continues to explore the boundaries of humanity in conflict with crisis. And I like it! Here we have Eugene, who's belatedly going into "Stage 2: Ready to Fight". Meanwhile, poor Carol has been through stages 3 and 4, and is tripping up in stage 5 or thereabouts. She seemed capable of flipping from idyllic domestic to blood-soaked mercanary at will. But she was a bit nuts, and Morgan tipped her out of her balance. Now she's trying to reconcile Loving and Killing, from an angle we probably hadn't thought about before. She seems to know that the power to kill and the power to love are two sides of the same coin, too intimately intergrown to be severed from each other. But now she can't figure out how to achieve less of one while seeking more of the other - it doesn't seem possible.
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Alicia Witt was written into Twin Peaks by the director of that and Dune, David Lynch.

Julie and I have really enjoyed this half of the season. but there is dread with Negan coming.

I have Fear the Walking Dead on disc and will be watching that.

we both really enjoy Talking Dead and feel it adds a lot to the show.
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THR: Negan is coming in the season six finale. How would you describe his first entrance?

Norman Reedus: That episode is the most hardcore episode you've ever seen on the show. Ever. And it's so well directed [by exec producer Greg Nicotero] and it's so well played out. And so terrifying. It's so good. A lot of effort went into making that the best episode we've ever shot on this show.
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THR: Negan is coming in the season six finale. How would you describe his first entrance?

Norman Reedus: That episode is the most hardcore episode you've ever seen on the show. Ever. And it's so well directed [by exec producer Greg Nicotero] and it's so well played out. And so terrifying. It's so good. A lot of effort went into making that the best episode we've ever shot on this show.
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Last night was pretty intense. Painful, I must say. It caused a lot of real anxiety for the fans in my family. Which means, of course, that it succeeded.
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I won't belabor the point for fear of seeming needlessly argumentative, but I'm no longer a fan of this show. I thought this season was some of the corniest, campiest crap on TV. We finished it out, but more as a Mystery Science Theater exercise in family mockery.

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I'm about done with this show. I think mainly because with the cliffhanger ending, I found I couldn't care less who the "lucky" person is.
Plus, I find the world view of this show abhorrent. I know it is a show and that if everyone got along, there would be no drama. But I would imagine if something like this ever happened, people would band together more and there'd be smaller pockets of the horrible dickhead leaders, instead of them seemingly everywhere. It seems to me when horrible things happen, people just want to feel safe and taken care of, and tend to try to work together to make that happen, which we've seen several times throughout history, at least in my lifetime. I don't see people of today putting up with a leader that kills his or her own people, and living under that fear for very long. I just don't see the type of people they frequently encounter on the show surviving long.
I've mentioned this to others at work and they find me naive.
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Humans can be savages. However, I think in a zombie apocalypse, you'd have the same exact social structures evolving that we've seen during every other human, environmental, or biological catastrophe. The general trend of human nature is to evolve ever more complex social structures that are ever more interdependent. Sure, there is war and conflict, but the general trend has produced what we have now: a technological, global civilization. We've always had hardship, predators, calamity, etc. That doesn't stop the general trend, and neither should the (largely) ineffectual zombie problem.

None of the global technology has really been harmed by the zombies, from what I can see. I think humans would have moved past petty, low-tech tribalism long before now.

That could still be a fascinating story.
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