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I don't think those obstacles would be as pronounced as you think WF ..wayfriend wrote:Not that I wouldn't be in glorious heaven if this were made into a cable series. But there are some obstacles worth discussing. For example, the lack of sexual encounters in the story. Big cable series seem to succeed (and so are green-lit) when they have several protagonists, soap-opera drama, and juicy hookups on a frequent basis. The Chronicles lacks.
I disagree. The rape of Lena is pivotal to the entire series. Without it, you don't have the subsequent books, really.Horrim Carabal wrote:Let's be honest - the rape of Lena could be cut out altogether. Maybe he beats her up. Maybe he emotionally abuses/berates her. Maybe he just repudiates her affection and love. We don't need it to be rape for Covenant to:
a) come off as an asshole
b) have guilt/something to atone for/something eating at him.
Without it you don't have Elena. You also don't have Atiaran's attempted summoning of Covenant that brings Hile Troy to the Land, and so you don't have Hile Troy. You don't have the conflicted Trell and Triock. You don't have the breaking of the Law of Death. You don't have the destruction of the Staff of Law, and thus you don't have the Sunbane. Is that enough to go on with?Matthias wrote:I disagree. The rape of Lena is pivotal to the entire series. Without it, you don't have the subsequent books, really.Horrim Carabal wrote:Let's be honest - the rape of Lena could be cut out altogether. Maybe he beats her up. Maybe he emotionally abuses/berates her. Maybe he just repudiates her affection and love. We don't need it to be rape for Covenant to:
a) come off as an asshole
b) have guilt/something to atone for/something eating at him.
I suppose it would take some of the sting away if it was depicted as a statutory rape, somewhat consensual. Covenant knows its terribly wrong to have sex with a 16 year old girl but does it anyway for the same reasons as the book. Trell's family is still shattered. Triock still hates TC. Elena is still a product of their union. Lena is still driven mad as Covenant still leaves her behind. And of course both Covenant and the people of the Land view it as a crime so the motivations and interlocking actions still function.wayfriend wrote:
Rape is the worst form of evil in this story. Covenant enacts the worst form of evil. What other form of evil should we see Covenant enact instead? Throwing puppies into a wood chipper? No, there is no suitable replacement for the rape.
"If you can't tell the difference, what difference does it make?"
How to spice up the 1st Chronicles and make it sell-able to a mainstream audience without altering the story too much to piss off the fans:wayfriend wrote:Not that I wouldn't be in glorious heaven if this were made into a cable series. But there are some obstacles worth discussing. For example, the lack of sexual encounters in the story. Big cable series seem to succeed (and so are green-lit) when they have several protagonists, soap-opera drama, and juicy hookups on a frequent basis. The Chronicles lacks.
wayfriend wrote:Wait, HLT ... what about human/Giant sex?
aTOMic, Covenant being despicable is what's critical. If the audience doesn't hate him, then we've lost the essence - if it's not about a messed up person acting despicably and then becoming a hero, then it's not the Chronicles. Just sayin'.
"If you can't tell the difference, what difference does it make?"
Disagree with your premise. Let me give you an alternate scenario:DrPaul wrote: Without it you don't have Elena. You also don't have Atiaran's attempted summoning of Covenant that brings Hile Troy to the Land, and so you don't have Hile Troy. You don't have the conflicted Trell and Triock. You don't have the breaking of the Law of Death. You don't have the destruction of the Staff of Law, and thus you don't have the Sunbane. Is that enough to go on with?
Yes. This is the critical point, especially the "dangerous and unbelieving" starting point.wayfriend wrote:But the rape of Lena, and the subsequent birth of Elena, is indeed critical. Not because it may necessitate sweeping plot changes. (However, it only mandates that Elena is not Covenant's daughter.) But because it articulates the place that Covenant starts from in the story - dangerous and unbelieving - and that there are actual consequences that Covenant unleashes and then later must confront.
"If you can't tell the difference, what difference does it make?"
Although that distinction is both textually and technically accurate, I prolly tend to associate the two so closely in my mind that they become almost indissociable, at least within the general story-telling context. True enuff though that Earthpower is still Earthpower, even when Covenant is deprived of his health-sense.wayfriend wrote:Wos, are you speaking about Earthpower, or health-sense? I think the latter is the difficult one.
Sure, those are workable and sensical ways of addressing the issues, but pulling off the whole shebang both without excessive expository dialogue and with a filmic naturalness would seem to require just the right choice in director and crew.wayfriend wrote:Earthpower can be shown simply by it's effect. However, seeing the Earthpower inherent in something is a matter of health-sense.
I have been thinking about that. I think that something can be done that is similar to what was done for Lucy and some other movies. For example.
The trick is to not show visible health all the time. When it is shown, it's clear that your seeing it through the character's eyes, seeing what he/she sees. And you only need to do this when they are particularly focusing on it.
Someone might even develop a health "language", such that good health is visible as a golden glow, rot as a gangrenous black, strength is a blue mesh, evil as lurid green veins, etc. Argent is for wild magic. So Earthpower could be conveyed by, say, a rosy aura.
