Batman vs Superman...here we go again...

Post by **Hashi Lebwohl** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:11 pm

wayfriend wrote: I would say that Snyder struggles to achieve a gravitas that matches what DC is looking for in their franchise, and which Marvel so far has shied away from.

I agree. I thought Watchmen was both well-done artistically and stayed as true to the original source as converting a graphic novel into a movie would allow (with the one obvious exception being the details of someone's secret plan). Naturally, I would advise widening the pool of preferred directors (I recommend Mr. Del Toro and Mr. Bekmambetov) so that they don't wind up relying on only one person for directorial vision.

Post by **Wosbald** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 1:51 am

+JMJ+

wayfriend wrote:I liked Sucker Punch. I thought it was profound.

I agree. Though I found precious few who've agreed. One day, I think that it will be revisited and rehabilitated with a more optimistic assessment.

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wayfriend wrote:I would say that Snyder struggles to achieve a gravitas that matches what DC is looking for in their franchise, and which Marvel so far has shied away from. It's a plan, but will people buy tickets? People seem to prefer their comic book heroes with popcorn, not profundity.

Nolan's were successful, so it's certainly possible. As long as DC doesn't cross from brooding and grim to ponderous and disspiriting and Marvel doesn't go from buoyantly topical to outright vacuity, it seems like there should be room for both.

Post by **dANdeLION** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:23 pm

I am definitely a fan of SuckerPunch. Unfortunately, I cannot say the same for the Superman movies. And Affleck as Batman......horrible. If he sucked playing Marvel's version of Batman, how can he possibly pull off this? Short answer is he can't. And doing a sequel to a movie that was just plain weak (with the exception of Ma and Pa Kent) is just stacking the odds against success.

Post by **sgt.null** » Sun Jul 19, 2015 12:26 am

even though I don't believe that Batman can defeat Superman, I will be rooting for him. Superman is a god, and if he turns against us...

the trailer looks great. and Wonder Woman - finally!!!

Post by **Hashi Lebwohl** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 3:34 pm

sgt.null wrote:and Wonder Woman - finally!!!

That is probably the best thing to take away from the trailer.

Post by **sgt.null** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 1:24 am

I am fanboy enough to love the bleed line.

Post by **Hashi Lebwohl** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 1:57 am

The whole "do you bleed?" line could be a threat....but it could equally be a warning. For all we know, Batman could be aware of a threat that Superman might be underestimating and he is trying to warn him to be careful.

Post by **Wosbald** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 12:34 pm

+JMJ+

For those who've not yet seen it, the new Comic-Con Trailer.

Post by **sgt.null** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:07 pm

I'm rooting for Bats.

maybe the Zod clone will be Bizzaro?

Post by **Hashi Lebwohl** » Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:42 pm

sgt.null wrote:I'm rooting for Bats.

maybe the Zod clone will be Bizzaro?

If they are going with the "clone Zod" plot then I would bet on Doomsday rather than Bizarro. As I said, that plot requires at least one pod from the scout ship's genesis chamber to be intact and that someone--Lex--figures out how to use it. That wouldn't be too difficult if Zod's key is still in the computer console, leaving it active and ready for vocal input.

Post by **sgt.null** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 9:26 pm

Doomsday = yawn. never liked the character. Bizarro would be awesome.

Post by **Hashi Lebwohl** » Sun Jul 26, 2015 7:48 pm

When your plot line is "a big, bad creature literally crawls up out of a hole in the ground and beats Superman to a pulp" then you are officially out of ideas.

Post by **dANdeLION** » Sat Aug 08, 2015 10:24 pm

I rewatched Man of Steel today, and am feeling more optimistic about Batman vs Superman.

Post by **Hashi Lebwohl** » Wed Aug 12, 2015 2:36 pm

MoS holds up to repeated viewings, I think. I don't know where they are going to go with the whole "no secret identity" thing, which seems to be the modern trend for superheroes. Aliens from outer space show up on Earth, you say? They are looking for someone, you say? They went *where*?! Smallville, Kansas? erm...okay. They went where? Martha Kent's farm? She has a son named Clark, you say? hrm....we dug into his background and some weird stories popped up, primarily the fact that no one seems to remember her being pregnant. Okay--the guy they are looking for must be him,

Post by **sgt.null** » Wed Aug 26, 2015 4:54 am

never understood why Superman needed a secret identity.

Post by **Hashi Lebwohl** » Wed Aug 26, 2015 9:32 pm

Superman is a product of the 1930s; all the "caped/masked avengers" had secret identities so the bad guys wouldn't know who they are and couldn't kidnap their wife/girlfriend/child to hold for ransom. In this regard Batman was unique--even if people knew who he was there wouldn't be anyone they could have kidnapped to emotionally compromise him. That kind of tactic probably wouldn't have worked on The Shadow, either--he didn't capture criminals, he killed them.

Anyway....as I said that line of reasoning is from the 1930s. Back then, standing out from the crowd was generally frowned upon, unless you were already a celebrity. Heroes were expected to do good deeds for their own rewards, not for the sake of fame.

Post by **sgt.null** » Thu Aug 27, 2015 8:42 am

I just can't imagine that Superman would be satisfied as a mortal. and have no idea why he would choose Lois over Wonder Woman.

the Amazon should stoke his fires, however alien he is.

Post by **Hashi Lebwohl** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 9:14 pm

These days, we think of things differently than Mr. Siegel and Mr. Shuster did back in the 1930s. Superman today wouldn't bother with a mundane identity--his public persona as Superman would be his identity...but he would have to obtain a decent patent lawyer to make sure people don't co-opt his symbol and/or likeness for their own personal gain.

There is no reason that Wonder Woman and Superman "should" become involved with one another. The Wonder Woman/Batman romance thing that was hinted at during the old JL/JLU series is a much more interesting situation. That being said, there is no reason that they "should" become involved, either. Some supers will become involved with each other, to be certain, but others won't for a variety of reasons.

Post by **wayfriend** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 9:30 pm

What about the whole "Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex" thing?

Post by **sgt.null** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 6:36 am

wayfriend wrote:What about the whole "Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex" thing?

Superman and Lois could set up a red sun room in the Fortress of Solitude. have sex and keep Lois there until the pregnancy has reached it's course.

there are superheroes Superman could mate with. Wonder Woman, Maxima, Big Barda. in fact any of the New God women would do.

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