Cail,
Because people perceive it differently. It's not about the legality. It's about making people think the NFL cares. People, as a rule, care more about guys who knock their fiancee's unconscious than other guys in bar fights.
Football\Company penalty for crimes
So they pander to sexists?SerScot wrote:Cail,
Because people perceive it differently. It's not about the legality. It's about making people think the NFL cares. People, as a rule, care more about guys who knock their fiancee's unconscious than other guys in bar fights.
Does that make any sort of sense?
"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." - PJ O'Rourke
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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And that's not what the law is supposed to do.
"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." - PJ O'Rourke
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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Sure aren't. Why was he fined and penalized?
"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." - PJ O'Rourke
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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He was fined and penalised because he is part of an organisation that does that as part of their maintenance of their brand in the public eye. It is a court of public opinion, not law. If your point is that reactionary political correctness is out of hand, I agree.Cail wrote:Sure aren't. Why was he fined and penalized?
One thing I really don't like is celebrities, politicians and so who feel the need to make a public apology for things like cheating on their wife. I understand it is for the same reason: to maintain the brand (often they are the brand themselves and think of their value to sponsors). But, I feel like this spectacle is just too much. No one cares who these people sleep with! (Except maybe their wife)
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Your kind of meat
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Your kind of meat
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More to the point, he hasn't been tried or convicted of anything, nor has he made an admission of guilt.Ananda wrote:He was fined and penalised because he is part of an organisation that does that as part of their maintenance of their brand in the public eye. It is a court of public opinion, not law. If your point is that reactionary political correctness is out of hand, I agree.Cail wrote:Sure aren't. Why was he fined and penalized?
So because something looked like something, and the voyeuristic public gasped at it, this guy is on the bench for two games and paying a fine.
"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." - PJ O'Rourke
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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Cail,
What is Rice apologizing for if not knocking his fiancee unconscious?
baltimore.cbslocal.com/2014/07/31/ray-rice-to-speak-publicly-about-his-2-game-suspension/
For publicly making the NFL look bad.Cail wrote:Sure aren't. Why was he fined and penalized?
What is Rice apologizing for if not knocking his fiancee unconscious?
baltimore.cbslocal.com/2014/07/31/ray-rice-to-speak-publicly-about-his-2-game-suspension/
"Futility is the defining characteristic of life. Pain is proof of existence" - Thomas Covenant
Do you know? I sure don't.SerScot wrote:For publicly making the NFL look bad.Cail wrote:Sure aren't. Why was he fined and penalized?
What is Rice apologizing for if not knocking his fiancee unconscious?
baltimore.cbslocal.com/2014/07/31/ray-rice-to-speak-publicly-about-his-2-game-suspension/
If the NFL wanted to fine or suspend him after a legal finding of guilt, I've got no problem here. What I take issue with is punishing a man for allegedly doing something, and that something being somehow worse because of the sex of the alleged victim.
"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." - PJ O'Rourke
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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Cail,
Fines like these are based upon the player or owner's continued participation in the league. They have little or nothing to do with legal findings of culpablity. There is no right to play NFL football. As such the league levies these penalties and the player/coach/owner can submit to them or find another profession.
Fines like these are based upon the player or owner's continued participation in the league. They have little or nothing to do with legal findings of culpablity. There is no right to play NFL football. As such the league levies these penalties and the player/coach/owner can submit to them or find another profession.
"Futility is the defining characteristic of life. Pain is proof of existence" - Thomas Covenant
Sure, and maybe they could fine and penalize a player because they didn't like his political views too.SerScot wrote:Fines like these are based upon the player or owner's continued participation in the league. They have little or nothing to do with legal findings of culpablity. There is no right to play NFL football. As such the league levies these penalties and the player/coach/owner can submit to them or find another profession.
It's ridiculous and indefensible, because at this point Ray Rice is guilty of nothing.
"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." - PJ O'Rourke
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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Cail,
From a criminal law standpoint he's not, yet. That said, he's constructively admitted to knocking his fiancee unconscious. He's damaged the NFL with his behavior. The NFL, as it may, has penalized him for those actions.
Yes, they could do the same for unpopular political beliefs. As you have pointed out in other threads private employers should have a lot of leeway when it comes to the terms of employment.
From a criminal law standpoint he's not, yet. That said, he's constructively admitted to knocking his fiancee unconscious. He's damaged the NFL with his behavior. The NFL, as it may, has penalized him for those actions.
Yes, they could do the same for unpopular political beliefs. As you have pointed out in other threads private employers should have a lot of leeway when it comes to the terms of employment.
"Futility is the defining characteristic of life. Pain is proof of existence" - Thomas Covenant
Please link to Ray Rice's confession of any wrongdoing.SerScot wrote:Cail,
From a criminal law standpoint he's not, yet. That said, he's constructively admitted to knocking his fiancee unconscious. He's damaged the NFL with his behavior. The NFL, as it may, has penalized him for those actions.
Yes, they could do the same for unpopular political beliefs. As you have pointed out in other threads private employers should have a lot of leeway when it comes to the terms of employment.
And yes, I believe employers have quite a bit of leeway regarding discipline of employees. I don't have to agree with them though.
"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." - PJ O'Rourke
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
_____________
"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
_____________
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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I don't know, and neither do you.
"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." - PJ O'Rourke
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
_____________
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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Can I borrow your crystal ball, I'd like to win the lottery tonight.SerScot wrote:Cail,
That's disengenous. We all know what he's apologizing for. If he'd done nothing wrong in that video he wouldn't be apologizing.
We all don't know what he's apologizing for. We know that he's got a coach, a team owner, sponsors, and lawyers telling him what to say.
"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." - PJ O'Rourke
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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Cail,
We can strongly suspect what he's apologizing for. Further, even after someone is convicted of a crime all you can say is that they were certainly convicted, not that they actually, with certainty, commited the crime.
Based upon the video, based upon his reaction to being accused of this crime, I'm choosing to believe that it is outside the realm of reasonable doubt to say he didn't knock his fiancee out in an elevator.
We can strongly suspect what he's apologizing for. Further, even after someone is convicted of a crime all you can say is that they were certainly convicted, not that they actually, with certainty, commited the crime.
Based upon the video, based upon his reaction to being accused of this crime, I'm choosing to believe that it is outside the realm of reasonable doubt to say he didn't knock his fiancee out in an elevator.
"Futility is the defining characteristic of life. Pain is proof of existence" - Thomas Covenant