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Skyweir wrote:The facts support me 😎

You are falsely conflating the fact that US police also shoot other people in police custody 😉 AS WELL ... that’s not argument against systemic institutionalised racism in US LE.

It suggests that US LE are way too reactionary and trigger happy.
Feel free to post the stats.
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People have already posted stats. You don't seem to be at all interested in data.

It's like on another thread you asked for proof that Trump has been courted white nationalists, and I provided proof of several people who have worked in his administration or even served as an official delegate for him during the CA GOP primary race who was openly a white nationalist. You said you would "look into it" but never once mentioned it again.

Funny, isn't it?
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Indeed :roll:

It is a tad disheartening for sure 🤷‍♀️ 🤦‍♀️
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Ur - ill go back and find that thread. But actual numbers show that police are not hunting down anyone. But it doesn't fit your narrative. Also more whites shot by police than blacks.
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The caring, humanitarian left in action.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 784460002/

The sheriff's department tweeted: "To the protesters blocking the entrance & exit of the HOSPITAL EMERGENCY ROOM yelling 'We hope they die' referring to 2 LA Sheriff's ambushed today in #Compton: DO NOT BLOCK EMERGENCY ENTRIES & EXITS TO THE HOSPITAL. People's lives are at stake when ambulances can't get through."

Deputies issued a dispersal order for the "unlawful assembly" of the protesters for blocking the hospital's emergency entrance and exits, the sheriff's department said. Two people were arrested, including someone later determined to be a member of the media

"A male adult protester refused to comply and cooperate," the department said in a statement. "During his arrest, a struggle ensued at which time a female adult ran towards the deputies, ignored repeated commands to stay back as they struggled with the male and interfered with the arrest."
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Joe Biden tweeted. “Violence of any kind is wrong; those who commit it should be caught and punished.”
I’m with Biden fwiw ... there is no justification for violence. No harm, no foul .. cause harm and face the consequences.
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Sky - more of your peaceful protesters.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/rio ... ing-knife/

"The officer was responding to a call that 27-year-old Ricardo Munoz was becoming aggressive with his mother and was attempting to break into her house, the Lancaster City Bureau of Police said. After the officer responded to the call at 4:15 p.m., bodycam footage released by the department shows a woman fleeing the house while Munoz is yelling inside, the district attorney’s office said in a statement. 

The video then shows Munoz running out of the house holding a knife before the officer shoots him several times and the 27-year-old falls to the ground. He was pronounced dead at the scene."
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ur-Nanothnir wrote:People have already posted stats. You don't seem to be at all interested in data.
The stats in question, as always, are to be found here at killedbypolice.net. I have the numbers downloaded and compiled--but I need to update them from 2 months ago--but they will show, definitively, that black Americans are not being "hunted" by police. The only statistic which stands out is that the percentage of those killed who happen to be black is twice the underlying national percentage of their demographic (about 13%).

I could go on about why that is the case but this isn't the thread for it and I have covered that ground before.

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I am not surprised that Democrats are distancing themselves from this event. They are trying to walk back all their connections to the various forms of the "we just don't like police": movements which are still ongoing. This event is where "we don't like the police" ultimately leads, though, so perhaps they should not have encouraged it in the first place.
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Okay this may not resonate much with you guys across the pond, but what the Hell.

You may remember about 3 years ago, I referred to a short BBC TV documentary series where a British ex-politician - Ed Balls, who used to be the Labour shadow chancellor and whose politics are thus markedly left of centre - travelled across the US to see if he could work out why Trump had got elected. The show was called "Travels in Trumpland" and it was illuminating. Certainly helped me make sense of things.

Well, there's a very similar documentary series about to be screened over here. This time the host is Grayson Perry, who won't mean a thing to anyone outside the UK (nor frankly to many within it).

Nevertheless, Mr. Perry is another darling of the Left. He's a very flamboyant cross-dressing artist (famous within his field) and social commentator, very much adored by the glitterati/Islingtonista set of heavily moneyed champagne socialists. Having said that, he's proven himself to be not at all a stupid man...
"Right-wingers are more friendly"

Cross-dressing artist Grayson Perry says left-wingers have "more antipathy" towards opponents

  • Grayson Perry, 60, confessed he finds Right-wingers "friendlier and more open"

    He explored both sides of the political and cultural divide in America in a new series, Big American Road Trip, which begins on Channel 4 next week

    During filming he confronted "hostile" wealthy liberals and met "bikers for Trump"
He's the cross-dressing artist who's the darling of the fashionable Left - but still Grayson Perry confesses that he finds Right-wing people "friendlier".

Speaking ahead of his new series in which he explores both sides of the political and cultural divide in America, Mr Perry said: "The Left is more venal and has more antipathy to the opposition than the other way round.

"I would say the Right on average are friendlier and more open."

During filming for the show he said he confronted a group of wealthy liberals he met at a dinner party in Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts.

He recalled asking whether they feared their lifestyle had fuelled the resentment which led to the election of Donald Trump as President, adding that this suggestion made them angry.

Mr Perry, 60, told Radio Times: "I really laid into them. I was well p***** (drunk - TF), so I didn't quite have my full faculties, and they got hostile, but it all settled down."

Speaking of the shame many white middle class people on the Left feel, he said: "It's all part of the tribal culture to be guilty - we do guilty in the same way that the Japanese do shame."

While making the programme, which will be broadcast on Channel 4, he also filmed a group of 'bikers for Trump'.

Any concerns he had about their potential for hostility rapidly evaporated upon meeting them.

He said: "Some of them were a bit disappointed I didn't turn up in a dress."

Mr Perry said he enjoyed making the show in the US because of the frank-talking attitudes he encountered.

He added: "America is a great place to make a documentary because people will give you their life story at the drop of a hat because I was an outsider."

Mr Perry has become an iconic figure in the art world, celebrated for his ceramic vases and tapestries. He won the Turner Prize in 2003.

He has become well known to the wider public as an occasional transvestite who good-humouredly expresses his outspoken views in his television programmes.

Grayson Perry's Big American Road Trip begins on Channel 4 next Wednesday.

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The above picture is indeed of Grayson Perry. Yes, yes I know.. but don't be fooled into thinking he's some sort of drug-addled brain-dead moron. He's actually pretty sharp and perceptive.

This sounds fascinating, so I shall be watching with interest. I suspect there's a good deal of truth in what Mr. Perry has had to say above - and bear in mind that although the documentary will inevitably be anecdotal, its host is a definite and long-term Left-leaning individual.

There are no doubt intolerances on both sides of the yawning divide... but in my view it's the Left that predominantly displays ideological intolerance - and to the extreme.
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Cool, GF is a fan of his work, (for me, some I like, some not) and have watched quite a few of his documentaries.

Will be keeping an eye out for this thanks.

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Hashi Lebwohl wrote: I am not surprised that Democrats are distancing themselves from this event. They are trying to walk back all their connections to the various forms of the "we just don't like police": movements which are still ongoing. This event is where "we don't like the police" ultimately leads, though, so perhaps they should not have encouraged it in the first place.
Well, "defund the police" is not a winning narrative, and I think Biden's done a pretty good job of condemning violence, supporting peaceful BLM protesters, and saying that law enforcement is needed.

Trump's attempts to paint Biden as some radical socialist who supports rioters and wants to destroy America has only really worked for his base. That message isn't sticking with Democrats and independents, and people are trusting Biden more than Trump on issues of public safety and race relations.

The only thing that might stick on Biden is the accusation that he is mentally unfit. However, people think the same thing about Trump just as much as Biden, and people think that Biden is in better overall physical health than Trump. The problem with saying that Biden is suffering from dementia and can't function is that it is easily disproven. I've seen videos from far-right and Trumpist commentators on Youtube showing Biden giving a speech and his speech sounding like word salad with slurred words, etc. Then I've seen footage (not from those sources) where he just speaks normally and definitely does not give the impression that something is wrong with him mentally.

It's possible that those videos trying to make him look like something is wrong with him are edited. There's been a Russian campaign against Biden where they spread propaganda that he has something wrong with him mentally.
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No doubt true, according to US Intelligence at least.

And again according to US Intelligence, there are concerted Chinese and Iranian state-sponsored disinformation campaigns against Trump.

There's another utterly shit laying out of the choice facing you guys in the US - do you pick the guy the Russian state clearly favours? Or do you pick the guy the Chinese and the Iranian states clearly favour?

Rock, meet hard place.
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Utter anarchy or a civil society?

Mobs or jobs?

Burning cities or a recovering economy?

The evils of socialism or a free society?
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TheFallen wrote:No doubt true, according to US Intelligence at least.

And again according to US Intelligence, there are concerted Chinese and Iranian state-sponsored disinformation campaigns against Trump.

There's another utterly shit laying out of the choice facing you guys in the US - do you pick the guy the Russian state clearly favours? Or do you pick the guy the Chinese and the Iranian states clearly favour?

Rock, meet hard place.
It just depends on the rationale behind why these countries are spreading propaganda. I think China is doing it just so there is a more level-headed person in charge of the US (thus more predictable) although they don't expect things to necessarily get better regarding issues of trade, etc., just that it lessens the likelihood of war. That alone isn't a bad thing.

Russia is doing it in order to create a puppet government that they can control.

So I am not worried about China or Iran in this regard. I am definitely worried about Russia trying to completely subvert and undermine the US in order for them to gain more power on the political stage, though. Go on 4chan's /pol/ and you see a lot of pro-Russia threads and memes. Russia is using the alt-right in order to spread pro-Russian sentiments in the US.

So no hard place, just a rock.
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sgt.null wrote:Utter anarchy or a civil society?

Mobs or jobs?

Burning cities or a recovering economy?

The evils of socialism or a free society?
Jobs and a recovering economy are not mutually exclusive under a Biden presidency.

Mobs and burning cities are in response to widespread social and racial inequalities, which Trump has worsened with his divisive rhetoric and refusal to lead the country.

Evils of socialism? Not gonna happen. There's an insurgent socialist faction within the Democratic Party, sure, but no one in the Democrat establishment likes them, and Democrat primaries have proven that Bernie is utterly unelectable. So, no socialism. It does not get votes. Moderate Democrats win.

Free society? I agree. That's why I am voting for Biden, because I want a free society and not a dictatorship. We will get a dictatorship if we elect Trump and give him carte blanche to consolidate power, which he certainly will.

Trump has proven time and time again that he hates the free press. He has literally called journalists the enemies of the people, and he has praised far-right politicians who ran under the GOP ticket, one of which body slammed a journalist.

If you want fascist thugs running the country, vote Trump. If you want a normal politician leading the country, vote Biden.
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ur-Nanothnir wrote:
TheFallen wrote:No doubt true, according to US Intelligence at least.

And again according to US Intelligence, there are concerted Chinese and Iranian state-sponsored disinformation campaigns against Trump.

There's another utterly shit laying out of the choice facing you guys in the US - do you pick the guy the Russian state clearly favours? Or do you pick the guy the Chinese and the Iranian states clearly favour?

Rock, meet hard place.
It just depends on the rationale behind why these countries are spreading propaganda.
Let me clue you up.

In each case, the motivation is pure self-interest. Do you honestly doubt that?

Sorry, but I'm not going to bother with /4chan/anything... I don't find much of use in wild conspiracy theories and propaganda of any flavour. Plus there's more than enough nonsense and misdirection in mainstream "information" sources without actively making the effort to go seek extra out in the more insane corners of the Internet.
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Ur , you Democrats really like to defend China 🇨🇳.

Biden wants to raise taxes. Biden wants to destroy the energy industry. He's ok with shutting down the economy again. How does any of that help the economy?

Mobs are burning 🔥 cities because Democrats have allowed them to. How does burning 🔥 down minority businesses and neighborhoods get us equal justice ⚖?

Trump offered to help quell the riots. Democrats encouraged them.

Leftists cheered two police 🚔 officers being shot in the head. Leftists attempted to block them from getting into a hospital 🏥

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/opinion/co ... story.html

Leftist mecia is an enemy when it simply is a propaganda arm of the DNC. Hkw many times must they be caught?

https://theintercept.com/2019/01/20/bey ... sia-story/
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Leftist media or all media?

I find it untenable to follow a modern progressive capitalist society in such binary terms. It’s black or white ... with no shades of grey or other colours at all.

Life is NOT black or white ... “right“ or “wrong“ ... “good” or “evil”.

Such positioning seperate itself from reality ... from what is.
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Sky - again, you don't live here. I don't know what Australia 🇦🇺 media is like. But in America 🇺🇸 we have leftisg media. ABC, CBS, NBS, PBS, NPR, CNN, MSNBC. NY Times, Huffpost, etc.
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Skyweir wrote: I find it untenable to follow a modern progressive capitalist society in such binary terms. It’s black or white ... with no shades of grey or other colours at all.

Life is NOT black or white ... “right“ or “wrong“ ... “good” or “evil”.

Such positioning seperate itself from reality ... from what is.
Misspellings aside, that's the most intelligent comment I've ever seen you make, Sky... perhaps the penny's finally dropped?

Given this revelation of yours, I'd now further suggest that you do your best to avoid making other comments that - accidentally, no doubt - only serve to promote and bolster the sadly currently all-pervasive binary myth that is after all simultaneously futile and dangerous.

And both parties seem totally dead-set on driving this utterly fake binary paradigm forward... I have no idea why. All I can come up with is that both sides must hold the intelligence levels of the US electorate in utter contempt, if they believe (as it seems they must) that US voters can only cope with such a starkly simplistic portrayal. It's pretty much a classic example of what Pratchett used to call "lies to children"... and yet so many of their supporters are swallowing this unquestioningly... hook, line and sinker... and then going out like good little programmed evangelists to spread the fake word further with all their might and main.

From what I'm seeing, the continual blinkered and hyperpartisan "whataboutism" that seems to lie at the core of the narrative being yelled by those on both sides of the chasm is one of the central things that perpetuates this utterly fallacious piece of issue framing.
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