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ummm.. cheers ... lol 😂 I think 🤔 (backhanded complement noted 😉)

However, its not particularly telling is it? Cuz it is impossible not to be confronted with this arguably bogan level rigidity here where political “right“ faces off against political “left“.

As you rightly identify though it’s evident from all sides of the US political spectrum and quite arguably wider.

Alas it is no revelation per se ... it’s demonstrably what is.

And it’s kinda disappointing if I’m honest. It’s only in moving away from this rigid perspective that you can start to see things as they really are imo.
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...which is exactly what I've been saying from the get-go.

And I'll keep on thumping that exact same tub, even though it's patently clear that doing so will be of absolutely no use at all.
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I must have missed where I can vote for different parties. We have two choices in America 🇺🇸. Democrats or Republicans.
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TheFallen wrote:
"Right-wingers are more friendly"

Cross-dressing artist Grayson Perry says left-wingers have "more antipathy" towards opponents

Grayson Perry, 60, confessed he finds Right-wingers "friendlier and more open"
Of course they are. As I have noted, the Right thinks that the Left is incorrect while the Left thinks the Right is wrong, and not just factually inaccurate but morally wrong. This explains their hatred of opposing views--their worldview places them at the zenith of the highest of moral high grounds, therefore anyone who does not believe exactly as they do is defective in some way. The Left just loves groupthink.

As far as what I call the False Dichotomy....even Biden was stating that voting for Democrats is "light" while voting for Republicans is "darkness". The two major parties perpetuate the us/them mentality because that is how they remain alive. As I have noted many times before, they are the Shadows and the Vorlons....but at least I finally figured out which party is which--the Democrats are the Shadows because they keep wanting to make different groups fight each other while the Republicans are the Vorlons because they just want everyone to settle down and do what they are told.

Sarge, we have third parties but the only actual viable one is the Libertarian Party...but they still don't get enough votes to matter.
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I have voted for different s parties, local and national. But the dems and reps keep them shut out.
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:LOLS:

Hahaha ... not sure that THAT can be supported by the evidence Hashi 😉

Do you consider yourself a friendly, happy go lucky, easy going dude?

Pretty sure there is no empirical evidence in existence that has established that a persons political partisanship makes them either more “friendly” or less “friendly” ... depending on which end of the political spectrum they reside 😉

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TheFallen wrote:All I can come up with is that both sides must hold the intelligence levels of the US electorate in utter contempt, if they believe (as it seems they must) that US voters can only cope with such a starkly simplistic portrayal.
I think you're disregarding the simple human psychology and even brain physiology.

The wetware wasn't intended for anything much more than recognising ripe berries v. poisonous one or notifying each other of threats or opportunities.

What we've done with it is amazing, but we are pattern-dependant primates at base and we will create those patterns and respond to them even if there aren't actually any. Binary choices are built into us as is our preference for them.

The simpler an issue is, the more emotional we're capable of being about it, so (more self interest) it's in their interests to dumb it down as much as possible.

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In other words, the best way to get the masses to do what the oligarchy wants is to treat us like chimps...

I can't say I disagree (though I heartily wish I could).

Now Av I know you like your Pratchett, so I'd refer you to his assertion that homo sapiens is an entire misnomer and that we should actually be classed as pan narrans (the myth-creating ape) instead.

The guy all too often called it exactly like it is.
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Create them, believe them, and live them. Can't disagree either. And also yes, he was brilliant. :D

We all tell ourselves stories because it's our way of understanding the world. Our pattern-seeking brain accepts those much more readily than a collection of semi-random events. :D

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Hashi Lebwohl wrote: Of course they are. .
Which is why my loving right-wing family called me a "N-lover" for saying I will vote for Biden. It's why all right-wingers I know in real life talk about BLM with racial undertones.


"The blacks are acting up again."

It's why I get flamed on here for saying I will vote for Biden, why people accuse me of being a communist (despite them knowing that's not correct) and why I have been called a pedophile by Nihil. Because I am voting for Biden.


You and your "religion of tolerance" that is Trumpism... you are full of fucking shit, Hashi. You know that?
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Geesh. Nano, vote for whomever you like.

I'd just say do your best to ensure you've viewed both sides as objectively as possible, rather than getting sucked into the "one side quintessential Good, one side quintessential Evil" bullshit. "If not A, then B" is supremely false logic.

Again, I'm truly sorry for your apparently blatantly racist family and for the fact that apparently anyone right-leaning you know in real life is also some sort of thinly veiled racist.

All I would say is that I massively doubt you can validly extrapolate from this that all right-leaning voters are thinly veiled racists, every bit as much as I massively doubt that all left-leaning voters are extreme socialists, regardless of those who actually are.

It really does not help that the messaging from those leading both the right and the left is massively divisive and binary, even if each side may use a different binary yardstick. As I've said a bazillion times before, all this energetic pushing of a hyperpolarised paradigm is utter and deliberate bullshit.

But despite the efforts of these guys to treat the electorate as simplistic chimps (see convo with Av above), I'd like to think that not everybody has succumbed to this bullshit issue framing (which remember is no more than a self-interested and contemptuous hustle that both sides are doing their level best to perpetrate).

Or do you believe that the oligarchy's succeeded and that there is no longer any significant number of moderates left in the good ole US of A? It's arguable, but I'd hope you're wrong.
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Ur - your family does not represent the totality of Republicans. As to BLM, they are a Marxist and racist organization. Not sure why you judge people on their dislike of them. Right minded people should find BLM abhorrent.
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ur-Nanothnir wrote:you are full of fucking shit, Hashi. You know that?
Remind me to pencil it onto my calendar to care about your opinion one of these days. I could respond in kind, you know, but I comport myself with more dignity than that. Your relatives are your problem, not mine.

As noted, vote for whom you wish. I suspect you are voting for Biden because of his student loan forgiveness program and I cannot say I blame you, but that is your choice to make.

Still, you can see the dynamic playing itself out just like Mr. Perry said it would. You call me "full of fucking shit" while I reply that you may make your own choices for yourself. Which response is more friendly?
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With RB Ginsburg dead, Trump needs to nominate a Justice asap.
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In before Democrats screech that no nomination or votes should be held before elections.
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Hashi Lebwohl wrote:In before Democrats screech that no nomination or votes should be held before elections.
Trump needs to start Monday.
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Hashi Lebwohl wrote:In before Democrats screech that no nomination or votes should be held before elections.
Democrats never said that. It was McConnell that said that, back in 2016. Democrats are merely asking you to be consistent.

Of course, none of that matters because Republicans aren't consistent, nor do they have any real values.

Eventually Democrats will get the presidency, Senate, and House. Possibly sooner than you think. When they do, there will be hell to pay. When they pack the Court, you better not cry foul.

Repubs are just digging their own grave, literally, they are digging their own grave by refusing medical advice and dying from COVID, which they do not even believe in. The GOP base is mainly older people, and your days are numbered. Your platform does not appeal to younger voters. Ideologically, you have lost.
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Ur - really want that free college i see.

In case you forgot...
https://youtu.be/qPAzVNmOYgM

That's your buddy Biden outlining why Garland isn't on Scotus.

And your side better be careful when everyone to the right of you gets tired of your sh!t. Move your riots to the suburbs. See what happens. The only way you'll win in Novembrr by fraud. Do it openly and the right might stop being so polite.
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ur-Nanothnir wrote:Eventually Democrats will get the presidency, Senate, and House. Possibly sooner than you think. When they do, there will be hell to pay. When they pack the Court, you better not cry foul.
Yes, that eventuality is only a matter of time and I am already well aware of this. I will not cry foul over packing the Court, either, since per the Constitution Congress gets to set the number of Justices on the SCOTUS, a power it has used only once since its founding. Of course, the SCOTUS has a power it has never used--it has the authority to refuse to allow a Justice to be seated on the bench. So, even if they pack the Court the Court can simply say "no".

I look forward to the meltdown videos which should be coming in the next few days.
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Liberals are already posting a cry 😢 to arms. If the right dast nominate a judge before election day, they shall burn 🔥 it all down. Unlike what they are doing now,?
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