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Hashi Lebwohl wrote:
Obi-Wan Nihilo wrote:But it won't. We've become the bureaucratic state that was so mocked in Brazil.
Everyone should see that movie. In fact, everyone should watch the Terry Gilliam trilogy: Time Bandits (childhood), Brazil (middle age), and Adventures of Baron Munchausen (old age).
Agreed.

Our government acts too much like Kafka's the Trial.
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Remember the good old days when Adam Schiff would quietly leak part of story to the media, wait for a few "we heard this from an anonymous source" stories, then claim "if the media thinks something is there then something is there and we have the right to investigate it"? Well, now John Ratcliffe, Director of National Intelligence, has scaled back his in-person briefings to Congress on election security because--wait for it--Adam Schiff is leaking parts of the testimony to make it seem as if--again, wait for it--Russia is trying to interfere with the 2020 election. House Oversight Committee Member Jason Chaffetz has indicated that Schiff should be stripped of his security clearance, which would prevent him from being in any hearing not open to the public. At one of his most recent hearings, within minutes of the hearing being concluded Schiff ran to his media contacts and started giving them the juicy details...but only the juicy details which he wanted them to have so they would frame the story his way. Minutes. Most other Members of Congress had not even made it to the lavatory to take care of that personal business, but Schiff was already leaking in a different way.

Leaking classified information--how many Federal laws does that violate?
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FBI Agent William F. Barrett, an official who served on Robert Mueller's investigative team, testified on 17 Sept to Jeffrey Jensen, Assistant U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Missouri, and stated quite plainly that the team's prosecution of Flynn was nothing more than a "get Trump" attitude as well as that the entire Russia/Trump lead was nothing more than "a dead end". Mr. Barrett also asserted that the investigation into Flynn was "top-down", ultimately being directed by then-Deputy Director McCabe himself. Apparently, one of the attorney's from the Special Investigator's team, Jeanne Rhee, was "obsessed with Flynn and Russia" and that she "had an agenda".

Mr. Barrett's overall sense of the Muller Investigation team was that they wanted to be part of something "big" and that they just *knew* the evidence was there, if only they could find it.

In other comments, texts sent by FBI Agents show that they were concerned that their investigations could get them in to trouble if the correct FOIA requests were filed. Others took out personal liability insurance in the event they were sued.

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This should be all Barr and the Justice Department need to drop the case against Flynn for the baseless and pointless waste of time that it was. Of course, this also proves one other thing: there really was a smoking gun in the Trump/Russia investigation...except it was that the Mueller Team was out to "get" Trump at any cost, regardless of whether evidence existed or not.

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In more Mueller-related news.....one of the primary sources for the Steele dossier, the foundation upon which everything was founded, was--wait for it--the subject of an FBI counterintelligence investigation from 2009 to 2011 over suspected contact with Russian intelligence officers. That's right--one of the sources for Steele was basically a Russian informant passing along disinformation which was basically "pub talk".

Despite all this, the FBI claimed, in 2018, that the Steele Dossier was reliable and made it the basis of their claims, resulting in the the Mueller Investigation. Conclusion: there should never have been a Mueller Investigation at all.

Okay, Mr. Barr, your duty as Attorney General is clear: investigate the investigators and charge them with the crimes of which they are guilty. Don't forget the original source for hiring Steele--Fusion GPS, the DNC, and the Clinton Campaign.

I told you they had weaponized the FBI, and this FBI Agent--who was there in person--is confirming it.
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Ur - now your sources are guys living in their mom's basement?
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Flynn admitted he was guilty. Except for that, the whole thing fits together.
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wayfriend wrote:Flynn admitted he was guilty. Except for that, the whole thing fits together.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/29/politics ... index.html

Flynn wrote in his affidavit he "wouldn't have signed the plea agreement" if he knew two years ago that FBI agents had noted he didn't show signs of lying when he lied to them in January 2017 in the White House.

Flynn noted he especially sought to keep prosecutors from charging his son with a crime, and sold his home in Alexandria, Virginia, to help pay his millions of dollars in legal fees. His son, also named Michael Flynn, was never charged, though a former lobbying partner of theirs faced trial last summer and was acquitted by a judge because of lack of evidence. Flynn did not testify at that trial.
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"he wouldn't have signed the plea agreement" doesn't mean he wasn't guilty when he admitted he was guilty. It only means he would have tried harder to fight the case and hope he wouldn't be convicted.
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yes I'm sure the government bankrupting you would .are you fight harder. You've lost this. Russiagate was an attempted coup. Hilary paid for foreign influence in a presidential election. People in the fbi have been exposed.
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sgt.null wrote:yes I'm sure the government bankrupting you would .are you fight harder. You've lost this. Russiagate was an attempted coup. Hilary paid for foreign influence in a presidential election. People in the fbi have been exposed.
Oh, well, since your going to fall back on such solid evidence as "you said so", I yield.
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no WF, the Justice Department is dropping the case. They did not consult me. If Justice says they have no case, I'll go with that.
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I see that no one is talking about former CIA Director John Brennan's handwritten notes where he briefed the Obama Administration in late summer 2016 about the information he had regarding the Clinton Campaign hiring foreign agents to dig up scandalous information about Trump (which turned out not to be true). That means that Obama and Biden both knew that Hillary was strongarming the DNC to conduct research against her political opponent, ultimately turning the FBI into a political weapon.

Neither of them put a stop to it, which means they approved of weaponizing the FBI by remaning silent about it.
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Hashi Lebwohl wrote:I see that no one is talking about former CIA Director John Brennan's handwritten notes where he briefed the Obama Administration in late summer 2016 about the information he had regarding the Clinton Campaign hiring foreign agents to dig up scandalous information about Trump (which turned out not to be true). That means that Obama and Biden both knew that Hillary was strongarming the DNC to conduct research against her political opponent, ultimately turning the FBI into a political weapon.

Neither of them put a stop to it, which means they approved of weaponizing the FBI by remaning silent about it.
What happened to "It's called 'opposition research'". Do you even know how to frame a non-hypocritical response?

Also, your claims about Clinton directing the DNC and the FBI are not substantiated here, or anywhere. The FBI sunk Clinton's election chances with an October surprise, remember? Cherry-picker.
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This entire thread has support for the idea that the Clinton Campaign weaponized the FBI. "Opposition research" turned in to dirt-digging from uncorroborated Russian sources and then into a witch hunt. Try to keep up.
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Hashi Lebwohl wrote:This entire thread has support for the idea that the Clinton Campaign weaponized the FBI.
So telling the same lie over and over is evidence? Good to know.
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That is not a lie. The DNC hired a former British intelligence officer to dig up dirt, so he turned to non-credible Russian sources who were essentially making shit up, they passed it to the FBI, who had enough Trump-haters on its staff that they lied and altered documents--which was proven-'-to the FISA Court to obtain warrants. That is what is meant by "weaponization". The FISA Court itself has recently said that if it had been told the truth then warramts against Trump Campaign officials would not have been authorized.

Or, you know, you could actually read the thread.
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No. Weaponization means Clinton enlisted the FBI to operate on her behalf.

You know, like Trump does.

As I am sure you are aware, the facts are that the Clinton team gave the docs to the FBI out of national security concerns -- to protect Trump, essentially.

As I am sure you are aware but neglect to mention, one of the very next things to happen was that Trump was notified of this, told about the national security concerns, and given the documents. Really not a move that fits the "weaponizing" thing.

And I am sure you are aware that the facts are that these documents were not the reason for warrants against Trump's criminal associates, and we have the Congressional testimony of several to back this up. That's a mashup invented by FOX News that won't die - cuz you, really.
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[Cor=green]You may beleive those lies if you so choose. The rest of live in reality.

The Steele dossier was fake but the FBI used it and lies to get FISA warrants.[/color]
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The Steel Dossier wasn't what was fake - the Russian claims against Trump were fake, but they were really claimed by Russians, and the Dossier documented it, so that wasn't fake.

Just like you are real even though you make false claims. No one should say Hashi is a fake poster.

It was of interest to the FBI because, despite the Russian claims against Trump being fake, they could still really be used as leverage, and that's not fake either.

Anyway, just for the record:
Wikipedia wrote:Some aspects of the dossier have been corroborated,[29][30] in particular its main allegations that Putin and Russia actively favored Trump over Clinton[31][23] and that many Trump campaign officials and associates had multiple secret contacts with Russians.[32][33]

[...] According to Simpson's testimony, Steele, who enjoyed a good working reputation "for the knowledge he had developed over nearly 20 years working on Russia-related issues for British intelligence,[82] approached the FBI because he was concerned that Trump, then a candidate, was being blackmailed by Russia,[83] and he became "very concerned about whether this represented a national security threat".[23] Steele believed the intelligence community "needed urgently to know—if it didn't already—that the next possible U.S. president was potentially under the sway of Russia."[84]

[...] Contrary to a conspiracy theory[36][37] promoted by Trump,[38] Fox News,[39] and many of Trump's congressional supporters, the dossier was not the trigger for the opening of the FBI's "Crossfire Hurricane" counterintelligence investigation into "whether individuals associated with the Donald J. Trump for President Campaign were coordinating, wittingly or unwittingly, with the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 U.S. presidential election."[40][41][42]
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WF - here's some facts. Russia collusion was a hoax. The FBI was weaponized against Trump. Mueller found no collusion. The left's impeachment failed and Trump was vindicated.
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