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i forsee a south american Pope - but that's just my gut instinct.
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Avatar wrote:What, no comment on the Papal resignation?
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African Pope OK. We have an African Archbishop of York, John Tucker Mugabi Sentamu, born near Kampala, and a very nice bloke he sounds too. He often does the "Pause for Thought" on Radio 2 in the mornings. The last Pope was German, so C says. Or what about an English one, we haven't had one since 1159!
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null wrote:i forsee a south american Pope - but that's just my gut instinct.
That makes sense in a lot of ways [I say as an outsider...I don't understand the inner/upper-level politics of the Church...I didn't understand the choice of the current one at all...]
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It'll be interesting to see. I'd suspect we'll see a South American Pope before an African Pope.....But I don't think we'll see either this time around.
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Vraith wrote: ...I didn't understand the choice of the current one at all...]
I think he was a place-holder. After JPII, who was a very active Pope, they just wanted to chill for the few years he had in him.

Anyway, according to this, they already started manoeuvring a couple of years ago...
Papal campaign began years ago

Vatican City - Pope Benedict may have shocked the world by announcing his resignation on Monday, but some cardinals apparently started manoeuvring for the succession as long as two years ago.

Papal elections are among the world's most mysterious, with no declared candidates and more bluffing than a high-stakes poker game.

No cardinal can openly campaign for a job whose election is said to be inspired by the Holy Spirit.

But behind the scenes, at meetings inside the Vatican's thick walls and dinners at the finer Roman restaurants, the cardinal electors size up potential candidates among themselves and drop subtle hints to Vatican watchers in the media about who's up or down.

This round of discreet discussions, dubbed "totopapa" or "pope sweepstakes" by irreverent Romans, was only kicked into a higher gear on Monday when Benedict announced the first papal abdication for centuries.

It will go into overdrive when cardinals from around the world arrive in the next few days.

But Benedict seems to have set the Roman rumour mill in motion back in 2010 when he told a German interviewer that he would consider resigning if he felt physically unable to continue.

"This confession shook up everybody who's anybody at the Vatican and led some cardinals to launch into the semi-official battle," French journalist Caroline Pigozzi wrote in her newly published book Le Vatican indiscret (The Indiscreet Vatican).

Their approach is the polar opposite of a modern US-style political campaign with primaries, televised debates, major donors and Facebook and Twitter strategies.

"Paradoxically, one must not appear in the papers and certainly not be photographed," she wrote. "A man of the church is not a star and must always remember the saying 'whoever enters the conclave a pope comes out a cardinal'."

John Thavis, a veteran Rome correspondent whose book The Vatican Diaries comes out on 21 February, said he had Benedict's comments from 2010 in mind as he rushed to finish it.

"I was afraid he would announce his resignation before we went to print," he told Reuters. "I thought he would do it on 22 February, the Feast of the Chair of Saint Peter, which is the feast associated with the authority of the pope."

Conclave in mid-March

About one-third of the 117 cardinals eligible to vote work in the Vatican bureaucracy, or Curia, and can easily compare notes on rising stars or unwanted candidates when they meet.

The others, archbishops overseeing major Catholic centres around the world, are now booking their flights to Rome, with many hoping to attend the pope's farewell to his cardinals on 28 February. Once they're here, the quiet talk starts in earnest.

Vatican spokesperson Reverend Federico Lombardi confirmed on Wednesday that the conclave would start as early as 15 March, but the exact date still had to be worked out.

Normally when a pope dies, cardinals rush to Rome for the funeral held on the ninth day after his death.

Once here, the discreet exchanges they may have had by phone or email with friendly cardinals can turn into face-to-face discussions.

Lombardi said the fact there is no funeral this time should not mean "that the cardinals should not arrive in Rome, start meeting and speaking to each other and reflecting on the state of the church and on the criteria of the choice of a successor."

Openly naming candidates is considered bad form, but many use the polite fallback of discussing which qualities the new man should have and leaving unsaid who fits the bill.

Before the conclave, the Vatican holds plenary meetings called general congregations where cardinals discuss issues facing the church and report on conditions in their home countries.

The exact date for these meetings this time has not yet been fixed.

No names are debated at these sessions, but they double as platforms where undeclared candidates attract attention by making speeches and meeting cardinals they don't know.

Grand electors

The general congregations before the 2005 conclave proved decisive for the then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, who as the dean of the College of Cardinals moderated the discussions.

Several cardinals said afterwards his gracious way of conducting the sessions and summing up comments that had been made convinced them he was the best choice for the papacy.

Another subtle influence as the cardinals gather is the role of the so-called "grand electors”, cardinals who may not be in the running but can influence groups to vote for their man.

Polish-born Karol Wojtyla could not have become Pope John Paul without the lobbying by the then Vienna Cardinal Franz Koenig and some German cardinals.

When Benedict named an unusual number of Italian and Curia prelates as cardinals in February 2012, several other Church leaders apparently read this as a bid by his deputy Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone to sway the next conclave.

Their revenge came with the Vatileaks scandal, which saw unprecedented leaks of internal Vatican documents that cast Bertone in a very negative light.

Benedict's former butler, Paolo Gabriele, was sentenced to 18 months jail by a Vatican court last October for leaking the documents, but pardoned by Benedict just before Christmas.

The scandal deeply embarrassed Benedict, who surprised the Church by naming six non-European cardinals in November to partly tilt the balance away from the Old Continent again.

No clear favourite

Before the 2005 conclave, Benedict and the liberal favourite Cardinal Carlo Maria Martini of Milan stood out from the rest of the field as the most qualified to become pope.

Martini, who died last year, was ill and threw his support behind Buenos Aires Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio, but it was not enough to stem the conservative tide swelling for Ratzinger.

No single favourite stands out this time, which could make it harder for the conclave to crystallise around one man and reach the necessary two-thirds majority in a few voting rounds.

Benedict's continued presence at the Vatican, even if he never leaves the small monastery on its grounds where he will live and never speaks in public, could also influence the vote.

Cardinals sometimes opt for a clean break from a former pope, as they did in 1958 in choosing the affable Pope John XXIII after the stern Pope Pius XII, but some may not want to back a departure from the policies of a still living ex-pope.

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This is killing me. :lol:
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I was just reading back through this thread. An entertaining read - interesting that Syl deleted some posts, but it all looks pretty tame to me. It shows how far the Tank went in comparison.

You were a little spicy back then HLT :lol:
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StevieG wrote:I was just reading back through this thread. An entertaining read - interesting that Syl deleted some posts, but it all looks pretty tame to me. It shows how far the Tank went in comparison.

You were a little spicy back then HLT :lol:
I was kind of an asshole. :lol:
Hopefully I mellowed out a little as I got older.
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Oh yeah...this thread. :biggrin:
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The latest: Plans for retired Pope Benedict XVI's funeral [News Update]
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Pope Benedict XVI poses in Alpeggio Pileo near his summer residence in Les Combes, at the Valle d'Aosta in northern Italy, July 14, 2005. Pope Benedict died Dec. 31, 2022, at the age of 95 in his residence at the Vatican. (CNS photo/Reuters/Vatican Pool)


Following the death of retired Pope Benedict XVI on Dec. 31, the Vatican has announced the following arrangements:
  • Pope Francis will preside over the funeral of retired Pope Benedict XVI at 9:30 a.m. (Rome time) on Jan. 5, 2023, in St. Peter's Square.
  • Vatican spokesperson Matteo Bruni said the funeral will take place with "simplicity," as requested by the retired pope.
  • His body will rest in St. Peter's Basilica, beginning Monday, Jan. 2, 2023, for prayers and final viewings. He will be on display from 9am–7pm on Monday and 7am–7pm on Tuesday, Jan. 4 and Wednesday, Jan. 5.
  • The retired pope received the anointing of the sick on the afternoon of Dec. 28 at the Mater Ecclesiae monastery, where he resided inside the Vatican.
  • Pope Francis will continue with his previously scheduled plans to preside over the end of year Te Deum prayer service on Dec. 31 (5:00 p.m. Rome time) in St. Peter's Basilica.
  • In his first public remarks since retired Pope Benedict XVI's death on Dec. 31, Pope Francis praised the late pope's kindness and sacrifice, saying Catholics around the world should be grateful for the example he set, both as pope and in retirement.
  • During his Sunday Angelus on Jan. 1, Pope Francis again paid tribute to the late pope, saying: "Let us all join together, with one heart and one soul, in thanking God for the gift of this faithful servant of the Gospel and of the church."
  • On Jan. 1, the director of the Holy See Press Office confirmed that immediately after the death of Benedict XVI, Pope Francis visited the Vatican monastery where he resided to offer prayers and condolences to the late pope's staff.
  • The Vatican has published the late pope's last spiritual testament, where he offered a final defense of faith and reason:
    • "I say now to all those in the church who have been entrusted to my service: stand firm in the faith! Do not let yourselves be confused! It often seems that the science — the natural sciences on the one hand and historical research (especially exegesis of Sacred Scripture) on the other — are able to offer irrefutable results contrary to the Catholic faith," he wrote. "I have experienced the transformations of the natural sciences since ancient times and have been able to witnessed how, on the contrary, apparent certainties against the faith have vanished, proving to be not science, but philosophical interpretations only apparently pertaining to science; just as, on the other hand, it is in dialogue with the natural sciences that even faith has learned to understand better the limit of the scope of its claims, and thus its specificity. It is now 60 years that I have been accompanying the path of Theology, particularly of Biblical Sciences, and with the succession of different generations I have seen theses that seemed unshakable collapse, proving to be mere assumptions: the liberal generation (Harnack, Jülicher, etc.), the existentialist generation (Bultmann etc.), the Marxist generation. I have seen and I see how from the tangle of assumptions emerged and emerges again the reasonableness of faith. Jesus Christ is truly the way, the truth and the life — and the Church, with all its insufficiencies, is truly His body."
  • U.S. President Joe Biden issued a statement saying the late pope "will be remembered as a renowned theologian, with a lifetime of devotion to the church, guided by his principles and faith … May his focus on the ministry of charity continue to be an inspiration to us all."
  • Around the world, Catholic, Protestant and Jewish leaders paid tribute to the former pope:
    • Archbishop Timothy Broglio, head of the U.S. bishops' conference, issued a statement, saying: "It will take many years for us to delve more deeply into the wealth of learning that he has left us."
    • Bishop Georg Bätzing, head of the German bishops' conference, described him as "an impressive theologian and experienced shepherd."
    • Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, said, "Pope Benedict was one of the greatest theologians of his age–committed to the faith of the Church and stalwart in its defense. In all things, not least in his writing and his preaching, he looked to Jesus Christ."
    • The World Jewish Congress President Ronald Lauder said, "No pope before him visited as many synagogues, and he made a point of meeting with local Jewish community representatives whenever he visited foreign nations."
    • The World Council of Churches said: Benedict was also the first pope to have belonged to a committee of the World Council of Churches, as one of the Catholic members of its Faith and Order Commission. "Within a short time of Benedict becoming pope, longstanding grievances that had prevented meetings of the Catholic–Orthodox dialogue commission were swept aside," the statement said.
  • Catholic advocacy groups weighed in with mixed reactions:
    • Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests (SNAP) said: "Benedict's legacy as pope was already tainted by the global deluge of the sex abuse scandal in 2010, even though as a cardinal, he was responsible for changing the Vatican's stance on the issue. To us, Benedict XVI, the church’s successor to St. Peter, fell off the rock and was implicated in the most notorious scandal in the history of the church."
    • DIGNITY USA said: "Benedict's leadership in the church, as Pope and before that as head of the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF), caused tremendous damage to LGBTQIA+ people and our loved ones. His words and writings forced our community out of Catholic churches, tore families apart, silenced our supporters, and even cost lives.
    • Women's Ordination Worldwide: "We lament the fact that Pope Benedict died without apologizing for silencing his fellow theologians and women's ordination campaigners who dared to question his increasingly extreme positions on women’s ordained ministry."


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I didn't know you could quit being the pope. I guess I wasn't paying attention when that happened.
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I can’t believe this thread is almost 20 years old.

So, HLT, you still into blond cheerleader porn?😄
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Zarathustra wrote:I can’t believe this thread is almost 20 years old.

So, HLT, you still into blond cheerleader porn?😄



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I quoted the opening words of Jeremiah Johnson literally an hour ago.
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I've never seen the whole movie. Just bits and pieces.
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One of my favorites. Everyone should watch it
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