Stephen R Donaldson vs Stephen King
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Donaldson. 
Although having said that i do like SK's work especially The Dark Tower series and other stories.
Although having said that i do like SK's work especially The Dark Tower series and other stories.
But if you're all about the destination, then take a fucking flight.
We're going nowhere slowly, but we're seeing all the sights.
And we're definitely going to hell, but we'll have all the best stories to tell.
Full of the heavens and time.
We're going nowhere slowly, but we're seeing all the sights.
And we're definitely going to hell, but we'll have all the best stories to tell.
Full of the heavens and time.
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Donaldson, hands down. I've liked a couple of King's books, but on the whole, I usuallly can't get through them.
The Dark Tower is good, though the last few books have been lackluster. Wolves of the Calla didn't feel like it needed to be an entire book, though it was pretty good. But Song of Susannah really started to turn into a typical King book (with a few good parts). And I'm sorry, but the last book is just plain sucking. It's taken me nearly a month to finish it.
The Dark Tower is good, though the last few books have been lackluster. Wolves of the Calla didn't feel like it needed to be an entire book, though it was pretty good. But Song of Susannah really started to turn into a typical King book (with a few good parts). And I'm sorry, but the last book is just plain sucking. It's taken me nearly a month to finish it.
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And I think a lot of it has to do with all the self-referential bits. It's just too much. I think it was intended to give the books a more 'real' feel to it, but it's had the opposite effect on me. Just seems so contrived and superficial. And with Eddie and Jake dead (both deaths feeling so pointless and needless, and I can't escape the feeling that it's all for a plot device to be revealed later in the story. I can handle characters dying, but...) and Susannah being Odetta-ish half the time (I know the personality is supposed to sound like a caricature, but damn). And good old Roland has gotten soft. With Eddie and Jake around, that was a good thing, but now... I miss the old badass Roland. The freakin' resolution better be worth the next couple hundred pages I have to sludge through)
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I do not actually have that much difficultly answered this question, seen as i have only read books by the one author; so by default it obviously has to be Stephen Donaldson.
However, jthis question is too simple. I've asked questions like it myself, and know this. Stephen Kind is obviously not unskilled; regardless of some peoples opinion of him. No bad author could write books of extensive success, have some made into films, have millions of fans - and be a bad writer.
Different authors have different strenghts, one of Donaldsons main strengths is, in my personal opinion, his characters, they have flaws, and are very "grey" - quaint term - however others will think that Stephen King is more sophisticated regarding description.
So they are both better than each other, some have strengths where the others have weaknesses, and vice versa.
However, jthis question is too simple. I've asked questions like it myself, and know this. Stephen Kind is obviously not unskilled; regardless of some peoples opinion of him. No bad author could write books of extensive success, have some made into films, have millions of fans - and be a bad writer.
Different authors have different strenghts, one of Donaldsons main strengths is, in my personal opinion, his characters, they have flaws, and are very "grey" - quaint term - however others will think that Stephen King is more sophisticated regarding description.
So they are both better than each other, some have strengths where the others have weaknesses, and vice versa.
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Is there any doubt? I can't think of a SK book that I've read more than once. I can't think of a Donaldson book that I didn't read more than once.
Donaldson has always been able to capture my imagination in ways King cannot touch.
And regardless of genre differences, Donaldson's writing style is much more appealing to me than King's.
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Donaldson has always been able to capture my imagination in ways King cannot touch.
And regardless of genre differences, Donaldson's writing style is much more appealing to me than King's.
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King has his strengths, sure, but writing isn't one of them. I don't mean to be insulting; in fact, I'm pretty sure King would say the same thing. He's great at creating stories, but he's not so great at writing them. I think his prolificacy and success at silver screen conversions are proof of the the former, but when it comes to the latter... That's why I say Donaldson has King beaten hands down. Just an opinion, but that's what I think.
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-George Steiner
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Prior to reading The Gap, I would've said King, no question. It's tougher now.
I've read everything King's written. I'm of the firm belief he should have only written half of his books. For every Stand, there's a Gerald's Game. For every It, there's a Rose Madder. Still, when King is on, he's on.
I've read The Gap and The Chrons. I absolutely loathe the 100 or so pages I've read of Mordant's Need. I haven't started any of the mysteries yet.
Here's the difference. King can tell an amazing story in one book. One long book usually, but nevertheless, one book. Donaldson writes epics. There's something to be said for a self-contained story (like The Dead Zone).
Donaldson is certainly a more challenging author to read, due to both his use of language and his refusal to have likeable main characters, but I don't think that equates to better.
I give the nod to King, who has written fantastic short stories (Beachworld, The Mist, Survivor Type), fantastic stand-alones (The Stand, Carrie, The Dead Zone), and a truly unbelievable epic (The Dark Tower).
I've read everything King's written. I'm of the firm belief he should have only written half of his books. For every Stand, there's a Gerald's Game. For every It, there's a Rose Madder. Still, when King is on, he's on.
I've read The Gap and The Chrons. I absolutely loathe the 100 or so pages I've read of Mordant's Need. I haven't started any of the mysteries yet.
Here's the difference. King can tell an amazing story in one book. One long book usually, but nevertheless, one book. Donaldson writes epics. There's something to be said for a self-contained story (like The Dead Zone).
Donaldson is certainly a more challenging author to read, due to both his use of language and his refusal to have likeable main characters, but I don't think that equates to better.
I give the nod to King, who has written fantastic short stories (Beachworld, The Mist, Survivor Type), fantastic stand-alones (The Stand, Carrie, The Dead Zone), and a truly unbelievable epic (The Dark Tower).
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I read The Gunslinger (Dark Tower I) and a few other stories by King. According to my tastes there is no comparison. Donaldson without question. King is his own thing. To me its much like comparing apples and oranges. For all the effort King put into the Dark Tower, it doesn't do much for me as a book in the fantasy genre. He seems more natural and gifted with horror. IMHO.
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Wow..I have the opposite view of Stephen King. I think he's a very good writer, but his stories suck. In written form, with much embellishment, his weak stories are not as obvious, but watch a MOVIE, and it becomes crystal clear. Stephen King's plots are absurd, and dumb, but he's a good writer. But as someone said, I never want to read a Stephen King book more than once.
Stephen R Donaldson on the other hand, I can re-read his books again and again. His writing at times is way too verbose, and he uses ridiculously esoteric terms, but he creates masterpieces.
That's why I think Donaldson is the superior writer.
Stephen R Donaldson on the other hand, I can re-read his books again and again. His writing at times is way too verbose, and he uses ridiculously esoteric terms, but he creates masterpieces.
That's why I think Donaldson is the superior writer.
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Well, the Dark Tower blew me away, I wasn't much of a King fan as I am not really into horror/gory stories. But, the Tower taught me a new appreciation for King.
That being said, I consider Donaldson one of my favorite all time authors, along with Tolkien, Lewis, Moorcock, LeGuin...etc. I find it hard to pick a "favorite" or say "who is better", because they have all given me such great stories to read, and have touched me in different ways. I now add King to that list because of the Tower books.
And Syl, when you get to the end...you will understand why all that was necessary...it ends the only way it CAN end.
That being said, I consider Donaldson one of my favorite all time authors, along with Tolkien, Lewis, Moorcock, LeGuin...etc. I find it hard to pick a "favorite" or say "who is better", because they have all given me such great stories to read, and have touched me in different ways. I now add King to that list because of the Tower books.
And Syl, when you get to the end...you will understand why all that was necessary...it ends the only way it CAN end.
And I believe in you
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~fly fly little wing, fly where only angels sing~
~this world was never meant for one as beautiful as you~
...for then I could fly away and be at rest. Sweet rest, Mom. We all love and miss you.
altho you never asked me too
I will remember you
and what life put you thru.
~fly fly little wing, fly where only angels sing~
~this world was never meant for one as beautiful as you~
...for then I could fly away and be at rest. Sweet rest, Mom. We all love and miss you.
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Got to the end today, Furls, and my opinions haven't changed much. If anything, I think they've been reinforced. I will grant that the last quarter of the book did pick up, though.
I'll have to mull it over a bit, and then I'll post my thoughts in the King forum.
I'll have to mull it over a bit, and then I'll post my thoughts in the King forum.
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I'd have to say Donaldson. 
Havind re-read The Gunslinger and The Drawing of Three in the last week, I am struck by the complexity of the character of Roland, and by the way King creates a rich and diverse world through Roland's thoughts and memories.
However, I would have to agree with Baracka that King's stories leave a lot to be desired. On the other hand, Donaldson's stories are amazing, and his characters are even better. I have emotional responses to Donaldson's characters that I have never had to other fictional characters.
Havind re-read The Gunslinger and The Drawing of Three in the last week, I am struck by the complexity of the character of Roland, and by the way King creates a rich and diverse world through Roland's thoughts and memories.
However, I would have to agree with Baracka that King's stories leave a lot to be desired. On the other hand, Donaldson's stories are amazing, and his characters are even better. I have emotional responses to Donaldson's characters that I have never had to other fictional characters.
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i'm standing up for my fellow New Englander King. Dead Zone, the Mist, the Stand, Cujo, the Shining and his best... Salem's Lot. and we haven't even touched on a quarter of his writing. for variety, for entertainment. for his voice when writing. maybe it's that King writes from a perspective i know. the Long Walk, Misery, Carrie, Pet Semetary, It... and I only touched on one short story. the Green Mile...
Lenin, Marx
Marx, Lennon
Good Dog...
Marx, Lennon
Good Dog...
The Green Mile is excellent, Insomnia and Dreamcatcher i found enjoyable aswell and also Thinner was a short but good book.
But if you're all about the destination, then take a fucking flight.
We're going nowhere slowly, but we're seeing all the sights.
And we're definitely going to hell, but we'll have all the best stories to tell.
Full of the heavens and time.
We're going nowhere slowly, but we're seeing all the sights.
And we're definitely going to hell, but we'll have all the best stories to tell.
Full of the heavens and time.
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I think it's great that we can all read the same books, and yet all feel differently about them. It's good, too, lest we would have nothing to discuss!
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I am disappointed, however. I thought for sure this would be the only poll in Watch History with a shutout.
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"Hey, dad," croaked the vulture, "what are you eating?"
"Carrion, my wayward son."
"Will there be pieces when you are done?"
King is a master storyteller and when I read his books it is more akin to listening to someone spin a tale around a campfire. The sheer volume of his work, the memorable characters he has created, all add up to an impressive body of work.
Donaldson has written far less volume wise and his work contains far more passion than any other writer I have come across. Technically Donaldson eclipses King but some of that is due to stylistic choices the two have made because of the genres they work in.
If I had to choose, I would very reluctantly pick King.
Donaldson has written far less volume wise and his work contains far more passion than any other writer I have come across. Technically Donaldson eclipses King but some of that is due to stylistic choices the two have made because of the genres they work in.
If I had to choose, I would very reluctantly pick King.
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