Favorite Rebel/Rebel Group?

Post by **duchess of malfi** » Tue Apr 15, 2003 3:22 pm

Let's talk Rebels here! Whether it's the Star Wars bunch, or the Founding Fathers of the USA or Oliver Cromwell or Sparticus (or someone I haven't mentioned) -- who is your favorite rebel??

Post by **Skyweir** » Tue Apr 15, 2003 6:13 pm

oooh this could get as heated as the other debates ..

when we talk rebels what exactly do you consider defines a rebel?

does it include a 'freedom fighter'? I guess they're rebels too eh?

I was going to begin a thread .. Your favourite military tactician .. but will save it for another day

I would say being Australian .. Ned Kelly!!

Post by **Lord Mhoram** » Tue Apr 15, 2003 8:37 pm

Well Well Well....there are many!

Ghandi? Nelson Mandella? George Washington? Osama bin Laden?

jk

There are many good ones...I guess I've mentioned a few...are they applicable?

Post by **Worm of Despite** » Tue Apr 15, 2003 9:23 pm

Roy D. Mercer

Post by **Ryzel** » Tue Apr 15, 2003 10:03 pm

14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!
how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I
will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the
mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14:14 I will
ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Post by **Skyweir** » Wed Apr 16, 2003 4:26 am

so let me get this straight

Lucifer's your favourite rebel???

*shrugs* ok then ...

and what is it about this dude that you admire exactly? what is it that makes him your favourite rebel?

For sure you win ~ choosing a major rebel .. no one can argue with that

.. not even me

LOL

Post by **Reisheiruhime** » Wed Apr 16, 2003 5:39 am

Hmm.. My fav rebel... well, the name of my school's sports team(s) is the Rebels, so Drake Young. He's on the basketball and football and softball teams. And he's my friend Sam's (samadhi, I'll explain later) older brother. There's no one who's a bigger Rebel.

V-I-C-T-O-R-Y!!!! That's the Rebel battle-cry!!!

Post by **Dromond** » Thu Apr 17, 2003 12:01 am

Ooh, Ryzel- good one! Lucifer! Not my favorite perhaps;but certainly the ultimate rebel!
This topic reminded me of a passage from Paradise lost. Something I had to dig to find. It is Lucifer speaking- after failing his takeover bid and being zapped lightning quick to his new abode

Is this the Region, this the Soil, the Clime,
Said then the lost Arch-Angel, this the seat
That we must change for Heav'n, this mournful gloom
For that celestial light? Be it so, since he
Who now is Sovran can dispose and bid
What shall be right: fardest from him is best
Whom reason hath equald, force hath made supream
Above his equals. Farewell happy fields
Where joy forever dwells: Hail horrours, hail
Infernal world, and thou profoundest Hell
Receive thy new Possessor: One who brings
A mind not to be chang'd by Place or Time.
The mind is its own place, and in it self
Can make a Heav'n of Hell, a Hell of Heav'n.
What matter where, if I be still the same,
And what I should be, all but less than he
Whom Thunder hath made greater? Here at least
We shall be free; th' Almighty hath not built
Here for his envy, will not drive us hence:
Here we may reign secure, and in my choyce
To reign is worth ambition though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heav'n
But wherefore let we then our faithful friends,
Th' associates and copartners of our loss
Lye thus astonisht on the oblivious Pool,
And call them not to share with us their part
In this unhappy Mansion, or once more
With rallied Arms to try what may be yet
Regaind in Heav'n, or what more lost in Hell?

Post by **danlo** » Thu Apr 17, 2003 2:27 am

Akhenaten (Nefertiti's beloved) believer in 1 god: Aten, founder of Tel-el-Armarna (Rebel Eqyptian community)

Post by **Damelon** » Thu Apr 17, 2003 6:04 am

danlo wrote:Akhenanten (Nefertiti's beloved) believer in 1 god: Aten, founder of Tel-el-Armarna (Rebel Eqyptian community)

Danlo, do you have Philip Glass' opera Akhnaten? Its very good.

He was a unique character in history.

Post by **danlo** » Thu Apr 17, 2003 6:02 pm

No but I love Philip Glass! I've seen him in concert and have listened 2, and watched, Koyaniniskatzi and Poyaniiskatizi (or however in the HECK u spell them) shall look in2 that right away! thanks D!

Post by **Skyweir** » Fri Apr 18, 2003 6:51 am

I've been thinking about this and I think I have several favs. But one of them is Fidel Castro .. I admire his ideal of liberating his people from the then oppressive Batista regime .. and establishing a representative democracy and social justice in the form of a welfare economy. I know he didnt exactly realise this ideal .. but that was his intent and the driving force of his revolutionary strategem.

Post by **[Syl]** » Fri Apr 18, 2003 7:41 pm

Socrates

Post by **birdandbear** » Fri Apr 18, 2003 8:23 pm

Randle Patrick McMurphy - One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest
Yossarian - Catch 22

Definately Lucifer! I love Paradise Lost!

and um....Berek.

Post by **Lord Mhoram** » Fri Apr 18, 2003 9:40 pm

Great choice, Sylvanus!

Post by **Ryzel** » Sat Apr 19, 2003 12:08 am

Just for the record folk. I am not really "for" Lucifer as much as I am for challenging the status quo. And if you are going to challenge the status quo why not aim for the top? No doubt Lucifer thought he had a good reason to rebel. This certainly makes him the most significant rebel in the western world and thus I pick him as my favorite. If you want me to pick a rebel with an agenda the we/I would consider good you need to ask for that.

But it may be necessary to remember that not all rebels are benign, neither at the outset nor maybe especially in the end. Because Lucifers fall is part of the problem of evil and thus falls into a category all of its own I will instead point to the leaders of the russian revolution. Although some people claim that they were not the paragons of virtue that they have been portrayed as by later historians (a notoriously communist friendly bunch) I have no doubt that they initially had intentions that did not include deporting entire cities to concentrations camps in Siberia, but this is what happened.

Post by **birdandbear** » Sat Apr 19, 2003 12:56 am

Also:
Cool Hand Luke
Jesus Christ
Prince Caspian
Thomas Jefferson

And, of course, the Star Wars bunch.

Post by **Vain** » Sat Apr 19, 2003 10:56 am

There's: Rebel Without A Clue (James Dean)

What happened to everybodies old favourite: Che Guevara?

Post by **duchess of malfi** » Mon Apr 21, 2003 5:10 am

I guess I'm the only one dull enough to stick with the USA Founding Fathers.

Post by **Damelon** » Mon Apr 21, 2003 7:42 am

To be more specific Dutchess, I'll go with John Adams.

As for Che. He was the beneficiary of incredibly favorable cropping. His famous pose is actually from a very mundane picture.

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Favorite Rebel/Rebel Group?

Favorite Rebel/Rebel Group?