And if Job was never favored by God, then what was the bet about? Bet? You must be thinking of a George Burns movie or something. He said you 'may'. He allowed for a context in which it could happen. Yes. And some of us think this is a horrible thing to do. I have trouble seeing it as less evil tha...

No. But if they tell their hit squad "Go out and murder that person" then they're guilty. Hell, they're guilty even if they just happen to hint that they'd like somebody to disappear. Did ol' whatsisname...uh...Henry...bear some responsibility for the murder of Thomas Becket? --A God neit...

Well, personally speaking, I don't hold God accountable for anything, since I don't think there is a God. However, for the purposes of this discussion, I think it's incumbent on me to act as though he does, otherwise it would be pretty pointless. ;) So in that light, (positing that god does indeed ...

If God is responsible for all of our existences, and all of our exitences contain some days that aren't as good as others, do you think we should be given the opportunity to live life, or is it cruel? Even if God knows that we will see ourselves overcoming the bad days, and having better days? I th...

No, I mean I don't understand the question. :D Are you saying they are all perfect? (They are btw.) Or that they can't all be perfect? Or that just because they're not, doesn't mean that you shouldn't live? My question was a lot more straightforward. :D Why make Job suffer to prove a point, if you ...

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Tjol wrote:

Avatar wrote: So why put Job through it if he knew he would succeed?

Why should a person be given the opportunity to live a single day of life on earth if they are not all going to be perfect days?

I don't understand. ?

--A

You seemed to ask the same kind of question.

God doesn't need to 'prove' anything, because he is all-knowing, right? He knows Job will suceed, and he knows that Job will make profit from the hardship. So why put Job through it if he knew he would succeed? Why should a person be given the opportunity to live a single day of life on earth if th...

Ok, well, I've thought about this a little more since I posted, and technically it wasn't. But nothing would have happened to the poor bugger if god hadn't said "look how awesome Job is," and then followed it up by saying, "Ok, go ahead and try breaking him. Do anything you want.&quo...

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Tjol wrote:As it is, he acheived in surviving Satan's attempts to break him.

Unfortunately no time for more than this tonight...

But it was God's attempt to break him...

--A

How?

Repaid with interest does in some regard make a difference. It suggests compassion for the suffering. Trying to wrap my brain around this. So it's okay for a god to kick some poor b*stard repeatedly, to the point where he has less than nothing, as long as the god then compensates him for his suffer...

Nah, no problems. The running conversation ended far longer ago than I'd remembered anyway. ;) It was repaid with interest. We all suffer things in life so that we can acheive something greater. Well, apart from observing that plenty of people suffer terrible things without ever getting anything gr...

Sorry, this will be out of sequence with the running conversation, but it's closer to topic here, than in the Think Tank... if it should be broken out into a seperate thread, that's fine by me. At the end of Job, all the things taken from him were restored. Job (the book) is at times complicated, bu...

I feel inert. lol. I'm seeing some former coworkers tomorrow to hear about an architectural office that they're trying to start up, maybe something will come from that. But otherwise? I've got ability, and have nowhere to apply it. Instead the time wastes away, because I've come to discover that my...

I feel inert. lol. I'm seeing some former coworkers tomorrow to hear about an architectural office that they're trying to start up, maybe something will come from that. But otherwise? I've got ability, and have nowhere to apply it. Instead the time wastes away, because I've come to discover that my ...

What we need is for government employees, including politicians and their staffs to be given a choice between one of two alternatives. (1) They can take a 20% across the board pay cut. (2) They can reduce their staffs by an amount of salary that is the equivalent of a 20% across the board paycut. Cu...

Well, initially, the economy caused work to be a little less enjoyable. As money gets a little more scarce, owners tend to find or generate excuses for not paying their full contract. If it was after the project, so be it, comes with the territory, instead, owners were deliberately throwing wrenches...

Hapy Birthday Mr. Donaldson. Thank you for the poignant books, and the expanded vocabulary.

-I don't think claimed objectivism or subjectivism can be especially telling as to whether the person believe the individual or the collective is a higher priority. Perhaps. There is an element of "forcing your morality upon others" no matter if you are an objectivist, or a subjectivist. ...

I think we're all moral relativists. Those of us who think they are moral objectivists simply want to extend (often through force) their personal morality on the rest of us, or give their personal, subjective moral choices an objective weight that doesn't in fact exist. Moral relativists (like myse...

Which is truely the more helpful perception of the world? That there's no such thing as a mistake, or that there are such things as mistakes? The contemporary perception seems to be that the individual is guitless and blameless in any action (with this that and the other exception of course, but it ...