The Gloved One.

[onewyteduck]

Avatar: my prisons belive he is a kiddie raper. and they should know. many of them are. but even if he is found guilty and goes to prison, Kym is right, he will be in solitary his entire stay. the inmates would rape him day, night and more...

Do you honestly think he would survive that long?

[dennisrwood]

they would trade him for a while. break him in. he would be gang raped his first day in general population. (blanket party, how ironic) unless he kept some money and was able to buy off some protection. but he will never see general population, so it's a moot point.

[Lady Revel]

onewyteduck said:

If it's kiddie porn, he's dead.

You are absolutely correct, onewyteduck, and strangely enough, the type of porn didn't cross my mind. I was thinking playboy, penthouse, etc. If it is kiddieporn, he's in biiiiig trouble and rightly so. Thanks for bringing that to my attention.

Is it fair that he will be in solitary? Other folks get arrested for the same thing, do they go into solitary because of possible hazards to their health?
dennisrwood, you may be able to shed some light on that for me, if you would be so kind.

I think we all agree MJ has issues, regardless of his guilt or innocence. It seems to me, even if he didn't outright do terrible things, he certainly skirted the line of right and wrong. And eventually, if he already hasn't, he would have crossed the line.

If he is guilty, I hope they make an example for other personages of celebrity, that they are not over and above the law.



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[Kymbierlee]

Lady Revel wrote:

Is it fair that he will be in solitary? Other folks get arrested for the same thing, do they go into solitary because of possible hazards to their health?
dennisrwood, you may be able to shed some light on that for me, if you would be so kind.

I can, Lady Revel. Prisoners who are known child molesters, or who the other inmates find out are child molesters/kiddie porn perps, are put into solitary for their own protection. The other inmates would tear them apart otherwise. I doubt there is any prison to which Jackson could be designated where he would not be immediately recognized. He might as well be walking into prison with a giant target painted on him.

[sindatur]

1. The original allegation in the 90s - The Smoking Gun obtained a copy of the police report, and it was a very chilling read. I can't imagine a child of 10 (Or was it 12?), even with being coached could have played off giving that police report. The way the child described the slow manipulation, and advancement of the molestation was way too realistic for me to believe a child could've fooled a police officer with lies.
2. Evening Magazine (or one of the other entertainment TV magazines) had a story about a hidden room behind his bedroom closet, that was a shrine to McCauly Culkin, and that's where the porn was supposedly found.
3. Calling Cola and Wine, Jesus juice, sounds very much like Michael Jackson's voice to me, not that of a child.
4. The 90s kid did indeed apparently describe a birthmark or something else unique to Michael Jackson's genital area.
5. The Bashir interview was very telling that he has an unhealthy attraction to children. Not confirmation of Molestation, but certainly in my mind confirmation that he is not a good role model to be left alone to care for them.

These are all very convincing to me.

In Michael Jackson's defense, the mother of this boy, has not been completely consistant in her story, and has a habit of "Get Rich Quick Schemes" along similar lines.

My belief that he is guilty, far outweighs my ability to believe he's innocent until proven guilty.

[ChoChiyo]

they would trade him for a while. break him in. he would be gang raped his first day in general population. (blanket party, how ironic) unless he kept some money and was able to buy off some protection. but he will never see general population, so it's a moot point.

I know these things happen in prison. I just don't understand WHY they happen....

Are there not enough guards? Are there areas where a bunch of guys can just hang out waiting for somebody to come along so they can all do him ugly?

Does every convict get this welcoming party? Or only certain ones? Perhaps this should be a new thread's topic. It's always bothered me, knowing this happens in prison. It must be a madhouse at least part of the time for these things to be going on. Aren't there freedoms like seriously limited?

What is prison policy concerning this stuff?

It's quite horrible for me to contemplate. Though criminal, these guys are still human beings.

I can't imagine being used as a sex toy brings much rehabilitation about.

Gah. It makes me feel ill.

[Metal-Demon]

Frankly, I could care less about the whole deal - I have far more important things to worry/think about that some idiot celebrity and the silliness of his so-called life.

I fail to see why anyone in their right mind even gives this friggin' wanker a second thought.

[ChoChiyo]

If he were merely a wanker, it wouldn't concern me a whit either.

Sadly, it's the buggery that's the issue.

I don't really care so much about him as I do about his young victims.

And his poor children. Ugh.

They have to be saved.

[dennisrwood]

Cho: no, we do not have enough staff. we are underfunded and underpayed. thereis a topic somewhere around here about all of that.

Feb. 5, 2005, 12:43AM

Infant's injuries nearly 'head to toe,' police say
Both parents are charged with injury to a child as 6-month-old girl fights for her life
By PEGGY O'HARE and ANDREW TILGHMAN
Copyright 2005 Houston Chronicle


Castaneda Norman

Parents charged as severely abused infant lies in hospital
Courtesy KHOU
The 6-month-old girl fighting for her life after being severely abused, both physically and sexually, was covered from "head to toe" with brutal injuries, police said Friday.


The parents, Ivan Castaneda, 22, and Donna Marie Norman, 19, are each charged with injury to a child and are being held without bond. Charges may be upgraded to capital murder if the infant dies, police said.

She remains in Texas Children's Hospital's intensive care unit and is breathing on her own, but is still suffering from internal bleeding, and doctors are not sure if she will survive. The baby was penetrated or raped vaginally and anally, and her tongue was nearly severed, police said. Investigators aren't sure how her tongue was cut so severely because she doesn't have teeth.


Baby, sister in foster care
The infant also had skull fractures, brain contusions and hemorrhaging, as well as injuries to her liver, lungs and kidneys, said Houston Police Department Sgt. Randy Upton. "In this case, the trauma was nearly head to toe," he said.

Police are investigating how the wounds occurred, but criminal complaints accuse the parents of striking the baby with an unknown object.

On Friday, state District Judge Pat Shelton ordered the infant and her 15-month-old sister placed in foster care.


Parents drove to hospital
Harris County's Child Protective Services plans to seek a termination of Castaneda's and Norman's parental rights.

"We don't think these children should ever, ever go home to these parents," said CPS spokeswoman Estella Olguin.

Norman's father was distraught by the allegations at Friday's hearing.

"I love my daughter ... but, you know, this is unacceptable," Johnny Norman said.

The baby's condition was discovered around 3 p.m. Wednesday when her parents drove her to Doctor's Parkway Hospital and told the staff she had "congestion" problems.


Older child also injured
Castaneda and Norman, who are common-law husband and wife, have been together about three years, police said. Police think the abuse occurred at the home where the couple lived with Castaneda's grandmother, in the 1000 block of Gargan near Fulton.

Doctors on Wednesday also examined the 15-month-old. She had healing fractures to her skull and ribs, but doctors found no evidence she had been sexually abused.

Norman has no criminal history. Castaneda has a juvenile record on which police would not elaborate. He also was charged in 2003 with injury to a child after his older daughter — then 4 weeks old — was found to have a thigh bone fracture and bleeding in her eyes.

That charge was later dismissed because the Harris County District Attorney's Office felt they "did not have enough" to take the case to trial, a prosecutor said Friday. A judge in October ordered the children to be returned to their mother's home.

After the latest incident surfaced Wednesday, the parents were arrested at Texas Children's Hospital, where their infant daughter had been transferred. Police recovered evidence from the family's home that supports the charges against the parents, but HPD investigator Holly Whillock would not elaborate on what was seized.

In the case concerning the older child, Norman was not home when the couple's older daughter was injured at the family's apartment in the 800 block of Harvest Time Lane.

Norman reported she went to a pay phone to call her father on Nov. 21, 2003, and left the infant, who was sleeping in a playpen, in Castaneda's care, a criminal complaint shows.

Norman said she returned home 15 minutes later, prepared a bottle for the baby and went to wake her. Norman said as she picked up the baby, the infant began screaming in a way that was "unlike any normal crying," the complaint shows.

Norman said she began to change the baby's diaper and noticed something was wrong with the child's leg. Norman and Castaneda took the baby to Northeast Medical Center Hospital, and the child was moved to Texas Children's Hospital.


Denial in past case
A doctor found the baby had a fractured thigh bone and subcranial bleeding on the left side of her head. The doctor concluded the injuries were not accidental and could have been caused by the baby being thrown "onto or against something," the complaint shows.

Norman told police the baby was fine when she left the apartment about 4 p.m. that day. She said Castaneda denied hurting the infant, but she told police he had "never been able to tolerate" the baby's crying, the complaint shows. When questioned by police, Castaneda denied hurting the baby, but admitted he had "a hard time" tolerating his daughter's crying, the complaint shows. Castaneda said he never hurt his daughter because his wife took care of her.

The child — and her younger sister, immediately after her birth — were placed with Norman's parents.


Case is dismissed
In August, prosecutor Kelly Blackburn filed a motion to dismiss the case, and Judge Denise Collins approved it, court records show.

The court file offers no explanation for the dismissal, and Collins could not be reached for comment because her office closed early Friday.

In October, Associate Judge Robert Molder ordered the children returned home.

Police sidestepped questions Friday about whether "the system" had broken down in this family's case since the previous abuse complaint was dismissed, directing such inquiries to the Harris County District Attorney's office.

District Attorney Chuck Rosenthal did not immediately return a call seeking comment.

Doctors are hoping to avoid performing surgery on the infant until she is stronger, police said. The child's stomach is continuing to swell because of her internal bleeding.

[dennisrwood]

Feb. 3, 2005, 11:55PM

Man sentenced to 50 years for raping baby
Mother faces charges of not reporting abuse after saying infant was 'scratched'
By ANDREW TILGHMAN
Copyright 2005 Houston Chronicle


Bill Olive/For the Chronicle
Keith Samuel Cook, 35, left, was convicted of aggravated sexual assault of his girlfriend's then-6-week-old daughter.
A 13-month-girl, biting on a pink plastic pacifier, sat in her uncle's lap in a Houston courtroom Thursday and watched as a jury recommended a 50-year sentence for the man who raped her when she was 6 weeks old.

Keith Samuel Cook, 35, showed no emotion as the sentence was announced for the aggravated sexual assault of his girlfriend's daughter.

Prosecutor Murray Newman had urged jurors to give Cook a life sentence, telling them there is "a special place in hell for people who rape babies."

"There are some things you don't get a second chance for, and raping babies is one of them," Newman said in his closing argument in the court of visiting Judge Woody R. Densen.

The girl's mother, Eugenia White, 28, was not in court as the three-day trial ended. She testified earlier this week that she had been dating Cook for about six months when the assault took place, and initially lied about it to doctors and detectives.

White originally said she had "scratched" her daughter while changing a diaper. She is charged with failure to report child abuse, punishable by up to one year in jail.

She told jurors she was taking a bath at her northwest Harris County apartment Feb. 20, 2004, when Cook told her he had scratched the baby while changing her diaper.

White said Cook pressured her not to take the baby to a hospital.

More than 24 hours after the assault, the baby's maternal aunt, Debra Straker, saw the injuries and insisted on seeking medical attention. The girl underwent surgery at Texas Children's Hospital and spent three weeks in recovery.

Dr. Robert Bloss, who performed the surgery, testified that the girl is recovering well and "hopefully" will be able to have children as an adult.

The girl is in the custody of Straker and her husband, Stephen, who say she appears happy and healthy.

Stephen Straker said the family is pleased with the verdict, which renders Cook ineligible for parole for at least 25 years.

The young victim, who sat quietly and often smiled, was in the courtroom for much of the trial. Jurors frequently turned to look at her throughout the testimony.

With punishment options ranging from probation to life in prison, they deliberated for about four hours.

"We're disappointed, but I can't say I'm surprised, given the nature of the offense," said defense attorney John Petruzzi.

Cook's mother testified on his behalf Thursday, saying her son had an alcoholic father and a history of mental illness.

"I feel like it's a nightmare," said Bonnie Cook, of Rosenberg. "I just wish I'd wake up."


in case you want to see this 'criminal, though still a human being'

www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/3023837

[Khat]

...I must conclude with my opinion that MJ is in some real trouble here. And strangely enough, I don't think he even realizes it. It seems as though he doesn't have a care in the world.
Well, I guess they call him Whacko Jacko for a reason.

This is very close to the way I see this. MJ seems oblivious to the real word, and seems 'childlike' --- I think he needs to grow up. It is so plain - from NEVERLAND ranch to his LOST boys he is so much into 'his world' he cannot even see what he's doing.
I still have nightmare-thoughts when he was bouncing that baby so hard on his lap - made me want to reach through the TV screen and rescue the poor thing.
He should have taken his money and sought counseling a LONG TIME AGO.
My hope is that we as a World can protect our most valuable resource - our sweet children!
They are our hope & future and deserve to be nourished and protected in everyway.
Especially from those beasts in dennisrwood's articles. Gosh I wish I could put my kids in a bubble and protect them!

[ChoChiyo]

God, that's disgusting.

But if I torture him and rape him, how am I different from hiim?

He is a rabid dog.

He should be treated like one.

One quick bullet and no more threat.

But no torture.

[Zahir]

I've yet to see any evidence that Michael Jackson is in fact a rapist of children. Not saying it doesn't exist. Not saying he isn't weird and in need of therapy (ohisheever). Not saying he's innocent of everything of which he might be accused. But I take "Innocent until proven guilty" seriously, and I'm not going to call anyone a child molester without some solid evidence of same. That is something I utterly refuse to do to anyone.

Evidence. I'll wait and see.

[Gadget nee Jemcheeta]

This is very close to the way I see this. MJ seems oblivious to the real word, and seems 'childlike' --- I think he needs to grow up. It is so plain - from NEVERLAND ranch to his LOST boys he is so much into 'his world' he cannot even see what he's doing.

This is really how I feel about it. It's possible he's a child molester, but I think it's just as possible that he's a child in his head. He has the money to create his own reality, but he's accountable to the ACTUAL reality's justice system. Either way, he's too crazy for me to feel that he deserves being raped repeatedly. Definately.

[ChoChiyo]

I don't think anyone deserves to be repeatedly raped.

That guy who raped the baby comes close...but, if I approve of it, I'm no different than him.

[onewyteduck]

If he is found guilty, I don't think he should be raped or tortured by other cons. I don't think he should get the death penalty.

I think he should be locked away in his cell and forgotten about. Michael Jackson forgotten about.......I think that would be the worst punishment of all.

[dennisrwood]

mj should be forced to give the Beatles songs to McCartney, be stripped of all of his cash and sent to prison forever.

but if a man rapes a 6 week old infant and only gets 50 years, up for parole in 25. will a rich celebrity be jailed?

btw: the mother of the six week old will be charged with failing to report harm to an infant. the punishment? a year in prison.

[Loredoctor]

Anyone heard of innocent until proven guilty?

[Loredoctor]

I've yet to see any evidence that Michael Jackson is in fact a rapist of children. Not saying it doesn't exist. Not saying he isn't weird and in need of therapy (ohisheever). Not saying he's innocent of everything of which he might be accused. But I take "Innocent until proven guilty" seriously, and I'm not going to call anyone a child molester without some solid evidence of same. That is something I utterly refuse to do to anyone.

Evidence. I'll wait and see.

Well said!

[Cail]

There was actually substantial evidence in the case from 10 years ago. It seems very clear that the parents in that case pimped their child out for a payday. The parents and MJ should rot.