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Seven Samurai and Magnificent Seven can't be called a true remake but more of a reimaging. If Seven Samurai cut out about 40 mins to an hour it would fantastic as it stands it is just too drawn out.
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Guess not huh? (I usually avoid remakes, whether or not I've seen the original. Are they that short of ideas?)
I just don't understand the idea. I mean if a film is bad enough to warrant a remake, then everyone who saw the original will most likely think "that movie sucked, why would I want to see it again?" and the whole idea of a good movie, is that IT'S FINE AS IT IS! It doesn't need to be remade.
The whole thing stinks.
The whole thing stinks.
Avatar wrote:But then, the answers provided by your imagination are not only sometimes best, but have the added advantage of being unable to be wrong.
exactly. my feeling exactly. i mean...what FOR???
you'd have to IMPROVE on the film and how ya gonna improve on HITCHCOCK? even HITCHCOCK couldn't improve on Hitchcock!! (he did two remakes of his own films!!)
(i'm just using Hitch as an example, how ya gonna improve on Escape from New York, for that matter?)
you'd have to IMPROVE on the film and how ya gonna improve on HITCHCOCK? even HITCHCOCK couldn't improve on Hitchcock!! (he did two remakes of his own films!!)
(i'm just using Hitch as an example, how ya gonna improve on Escape from New York, for that matter?)
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i've had this with actors before, on the set,
where they get upset about the [size of my]
trailer, and i'm always like...take my trailer,
cause... i'm from Kentucky
and that's not what we brag about.
~ george clooney, inside the actor's studio
a straight edge for legends at
the fold - searching for our
lost cities of gold. burnt tar,
gravel pits. sixteen gears switch.
Haphazard Lucy strolls by.
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It just doesn't seem possible.
I mean, I haven't seen one good remake, where the orginal film was already fine. They all end up like crap.
I assume I've seen a few good remakes of crappy flicks, it's to late to be specific, but my previous point still remains; there wouldn't be a very large fan base to make a remake worth it.
Of course, they could always play it like the flick is brand new, with little to no fanbase to be pissed about it. Of course that might incite legal battles... hmm....
I mean, I haven't seen one good remake, where the orginal film was already fine. They all end up like crap.
I assume I've seen a few good remakes of crappy flicks, it's to late to be specific, but my previous point still remains; there wouldn't be a very large fan base to make a remake worth it.
Of course, they could always play it like the flick is brand new, with little to no fanbase to be pissed about it. Of course that might incite legal battles... hmm....
Avatar wrote:But then, the answers provided by your imagination are not only sometimes best, but have the added advantage of being unable to be wrong.
I thought the remake of Dawn of the Dead was pretty good, but it's not the classic the original was. Likewise, I'm glad that Carpenter remade The Thing, though it could be argued that his film is a more faithful interpretation of the book.
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Balon wrote:I just don't understand the idea. I mean if a film is bad enough to warrant a remake, then everyone who saw the original will most likely think "that movie sucked, why would I want to see it again?" and the whole idea of a good movie, is that IT'S FINE AS IT IS! It doesn't need to be remade.
I agree entirely, but we're coming at this from a viewer's angle. From a corporate standpoint, remakes mean money, on a combination of curiosity value and the good name (in some cases) of the original. In my opinion, that's what the current glut of remakes is all about - getting some cash with minimal effort.Lucimay wrote:exactly. my feeling exactly. i mean...what FOR???
Shamefully, I have to admit to playing my part in that. As an example, I went to see the remake of The Wicker Man, knowing it'd be dreadful, knowing I'd hate it and leave the cinema in a murderous rage...but I still went. I went to find out just how bad it could be.
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good thread.
I've always wondered about this. Surely you've got to have a reason to remake something. It's not just about trying to make it better, but to change the emphasis of the movie. You see it quite often in adaptations from books to movies--the book will have a certain agenda but the movie will have another one(25th hour being a good example). The worst remake I've ever seen was Roman Polanski's Oliver. The acting was good and the direction was solid and it was a decent enough film...but it was just the same as the original. I can't help but wonder what inspired him to make it.
The Departed was useless compared to the original.
And what about Precinct 13!! Why make that again and add absolutely nothing. Besides which the remake was completey shit.
I've always wondered about this. Surely you've got to have a reason to remake something. It's not just about trying to make it better, but to change the emphasis of the movie. You see it quite often in adaptations from books to movies--the book will have a certain agenda but the movie will have another one(25th hour being a good example). The worst remake I've ever seen was Roman Polanski's Oliver. The acting was good and the direction was solid and it was a decent enough film...but it was just the same as the original. I can't help but wonder what inspired him to make it.
The Departed was useless compared to the original.
And what about Precinct 13!! Why make that again and add absolutely nothing. Besides which the remake was completey shit.
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One could argue that it's pointless to remake classics. Miracle on 34th Street, Citizen Kane, or (heh) any Carpenter film.
That said, I'd love to see a remake of They Live, as long as it was a low-budget remake starring another wrestler.
That said, I'd love to see a remake of They Live, as long as it was a low-budget remake starring another wrestler.
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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God, yes. The first is great, the new one is as awful.Marvin wrote: And what about Precinct 13!! Why make that again and add absolutely nothing. Besides which the remake was completey shit.
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I just watched "The Departed" yesterday when I was home sick. I had no idea there was an oriignal.
When I hear about Escape from NY remake, I couldn't understand why they would do a remake. That movie is not old enough to do a remake. I really like Gerard Butler but I think this will be a bad move for his career. He is a good enough actor to pull it off but I think this will be a bomb at the box office.
If Hollywood needs new material, I know of a book about a leper....
When I hear about Escape from NY remake, I couldn't understand why they would do a remake. That movie is not old enough to do a remake. I really like Gerard Butler but I think this will be a bad move for his career. He is a good enough actor to pull it off but I think this will be a bomb at the box office.
If Hollywood needs new material, I know of a book about a leper....
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Much like it could be argued that 'Charlie and the chocolate factory' is more faithful to the book than 'Willy Wonka' was.Cail wrote:I'm glad that Carpenter remade The Thing, though it could be argued that his film is a more faithful interpretation of the book.
While it's not a remake, last year's 'Casino Royale' completely demolishes the 1967 'Casino Royale'.
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No. Hawk the Slayer was SO bad it deserves to be left alone. Like Paln 9 form Outer Space.
Remakes can potentially be better, but only if you take a movie that was not well made in the first place, but may have a great idea. Remaking Assault on Precinct 13 was a bad idea. It was low-budget, yes, but a well executed movie.
If you are going to remake something pick a movie like Krull, or some other bad movie with a neat idea...
Bingo. Excellent choices. However, Magnificent Seven is NOT superior to Seven Samurai!how about Philip Kaufman's 1978 remake of Invasion of the Body Snatchers?
or Cronenberg's remake of The Fly?
Remakes can potentially be better, but only if you take a movie that was not well made in the first place, but may have a great idea. Remaking Assault on Precinct 13 was a bad idea. It was low-budget, yes, but a well executed movie.
If you are going to remake something pick a movie like Krull, or some other bad movie with a neat idea...
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Very true, however, I thought Burton's film (to be polite) blew. The Thing, or Invasion of the Body Snatchers, regardless of their remake/reimagining status and source material, were both excellent films in their own right.dANdeLION wrote:Much like it could be argued that 'Charlie and the chocolate factory' is more faithful to the book than 'Willy Wonka' was.Cail wrote:I'm glad that Carpenter remade The Thing, though it could be argued that his film is a more faithful interpretation of the book.
For example, Kubrik's The Shining is an excellent film, but bears little resemblance to the book. The miniseries adaptation of the book actually follows what King wrote....But it sucked.
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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"Men and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas." - Charles Stewart
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"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
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what? WHAT?!?! you diss the glory that is "Hawk the Slayer" then turn around and ask for another "Krull"? shame on you.Usivius wrote:No. Hawk the Slayer was SO bad it deserves to be left alone. Like Paln 9 form Outer Space.
If you are going to remake something pick a movie like Krull, or some other bad movie with a neat idea...
Cail wrote:dANdeLION wrote:Why, do you think? IMO the difference in the actors made all the difference in the world between the movie and the mini-series. I will say that I much prefer Rebecca de Mornay to Shelley Duvall.Cail wrote: For example, Kubrik's The Shining is an excellent film, but bears little resemblance to the book. The miniseries adaptation of the book actually follows what King wrote....But it sucked.
