Yeah, I basically agree. Also, he can stop wasting time defaming another democrat and focus everything on the Republicans now. And with them looking so surprisingly good, I think he needs to do it sooner rather than later.
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Still though, you have to wonder how Hil's camp is going to spin this. He is the presumptive nominee, it's not a lock.
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I dont know either, but you know she will spin it somehow. She wont give up.
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good call! thats likely exactly what she will do. But I think her campaign is swirling down the loo.
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I dunno. She's got a really good shot of beating Obama in PA.
And Howard Dean has said that the ousted delegates will be seated at the convention.
I think a deal will be brokered that puts Hil as the Dem nominee with Obama as the VP. Even if the ticket loses, this gives Obama far more credibility (plus 4 more years of experience) for the next election.
And Howard Dean has said that the ousted delegates will be seated at the convention.
I think a deal will be brokered that puts Hil as the Dem nominee with Obama as the VP. Even if the ticket loses, this gives Obama far more credibility (plus 4 more years of experience) for the next election.
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Yeah, but I am not sure Obama would do that, even if it seems to be the politically correct thing to do -- do you think he would take a VP seat if offered?Cail wrote:I dunno. She's got a really good shot of beating Obama in PA.
And Howard Dean has said that the ousted delegates will be seated at the convention.
I think a deal will be brokered that puts Hil as the Dem nominee with Obama as the VP. Even if the ticket loses, this gives Obama far more credibility (plus 4 more years of experience) for the next election.
I personally think she is done. I hope she is.
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I think he'd be a fool not to. The bulk of the criticism he's getting is about experience. This'd end that.
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I think a lot of it will have to do with how large a win Clinton can cobble together in PA. If she wins by 20 and makes significant gains in delegates, she'll have some momentum going into NC/IN. If, however, Obama loses by say less than 12, the delgates are pretty much equally allocated. If he loses by less than 8, given that he started 20-25 behind there just 10 days ago... that will be almost aqs good as beating her. AGREE?
Obama would have to accept VP (and HRC would ahve to offer it), but frankly I don't see him even offering VP to HRC at this point. I think it's much more likely Richardson, Richard Gephardt...someone of that ilk.
Obama would have to accept VP (and HRC would ahve to offer it), but frankly I don't see him even offering VP to HRC at this point. I think it's much more likely Richardson, Richard Gephardt...someone of that ilk.
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Oh no, I don't think Obama would consider Hil as a running mate (unless Dean can force him to do it).
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Exactly, and as someone else mentioned, do the Democrats really want to win this time around?
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That's how it's looking though, isn't it?
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There is 7 months before the election. Once one or the other (HRC or Obama) become the presumptive nominee, I think the facts on the ground (economy in the the tank, war fatigue, enrgy prices, etc.) will elevate EITHER candidate.
Obama is partucular has one huge advantage in the coming months. MONEY. Lots of it, too. I think he might 30 M for the effort between now and the convention.
Given these circumstances, I am not terribly worried about the GE polls right now.
Obama is partucular has one huge advantage in the coming months. MONEY. Lots of it, too. I think he might 30 M for the effort between now and the convention.
Given these circumstances, I am not terribly worried about the GE polls right now.
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Ah, we all know America is running smoothly when the candidate has enough money to win, right?
(Sorry Guns.
i'm just teasing you. 
yes, absolutely, a lot can happen in seven months. But for me, it's a bitter bloody pill that the reps look like they're even in with a chance. What's wrong with you guys? 
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Yeah, that's just great that a candidate is good at pimping themselves.....
God we must look ridiculous to everyone else.
God we must look ridiculous to everyone else.
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Haha, well, to be honest, I think the rest of the world really doesn't care that much. It's only when foreign policy affects them that they really have an interest if you know what I mean.
That said...well, your system does seem a bit odd at times. And the reputation of your voting public is not exemplary.
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That said...well, your system does seem a bit odd at times. And the reputation of your voting public is not exemplary.
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As an Englishman now living in Australia, I've seen two different styles of electioneering, but both are relatively similar; they're short sharp and not at all sweet, and then things settle down for a few years at least.
But do the American elections ever actually finish? It just seems to be an endless cycle of polls, and pictures of candidates giving speeches, and analysts analysing those speeches...
Even symbolically I think it would be a huge leap forward if the President were to be either black or a woman, and symbolism can be a powerful agent for real change.
But do the American elections ever actually finish? It just seems to be an endless cycle of polls, and pictures of candidates giving speeches, and analysts analysing those speeches...
Even symbolically I think it would be a huge leap forward if the President were to be either black or a woman, and symbolism can be a powerful agent for real change.