Hey, where's Finn? (Another member who's a Brit now living in Oz.)
I must say, I've always thought that the British system was relatively low-key. One day they're all talking, next day they've got a new Prime Minister. You barely notice in fact. (Actually, same with the Aussies really.)
Anyway, I absolutely agree with that last point, and that's the real reason I'd like to see a democrat win there, either of them. And why I'm disappointed that the pubs have managed to put up a damn good case on the surface of it.
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The Democratic convention is in August. It could well go on that long.
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From what I've heard, the Super Delegates have agreed to announce their intentions after the Primaries are over -- so we should have a candidate a couple of months before the Convention.
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"If you're going to tell people the truth, you'd better make them laugh. Otherwise they'll kill you." - George Bernard Shaw
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It'll soon be over. I am starting to think that given her last two tough weeks, and the direction of polling, AND the drip, drip, drip of superdelegates FOR Obama and her's abandoning her (he has +69 to her -2 since 2/5), I think that end of may is a distict possibility, if not before.
I think if she sees PA moving toward Obama, she'd be smart to get out BEFORE the vote is cast...(dit): going out on HER OWN terms, rather than out with a groan/whimper.
I think if she sees PA moving toward Obama, she'd be smart to get out BEFORE the vote is cast...(dit): going out on HER OWN terms, rather than out with a groan/whimper.
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No way she loses PA.
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Not really. It's about maintaining the legitimacy of her campaign, which a win gives her.
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Hi i know I am not from the states and dont have a vote but I watched a good bit of the coverage on tv and radio over here in G.B and I find it all quiet interesting . At the begining of the year I would have supported Hillary but Barack Obama has sold himself well. I also heard that Hillary is really struggling for money and is starting to owe money big time.
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Welcome to the 'Tank Cleburne...don't worry, not verybody here is American...it just feels like it sometimes. 
Yeah...money is a big factor in who gets to be president. Or party nominee anyway.
Cail, you saying that if she wins PA, it's enough justification to show that she's still in the race as it were?
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Yeah...money is a big factor in who gets to be president. Or party nominee anyway.
Cail, you saying that if she wins PA, it's enough justification to show that she's still in the race as it were?
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Absolutely. She's won all the big states, and that makes for a compelling argument for her getting the nomination.
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Not really. This is the irony of the way the Democrats pick their nominee (given the amount of griping they did in 2000 and 2004). Neither candidate can get the "required" number of delegates to win the nomination. One candidate (likely Obama) will have a simple majority, with both candidates having some number of Superdelegates. Technically, if neither of them relents and resigns from the race, the delegates at the convention can pick whomever they want as their nominee.
IOW, the popular vote doesn't mean squat.
Hil can make a compelling case that she won all the major battleground states, and ergo has a better shot of winning the general election. Obama will counter that he won more delegates. They're both right.
No matter which one wins the nomination, there are going to be a lot of very unhappy Democrats.
IOW, the popular vote doesn't mean squat.
Hil can make a compelling case that she won all the major battleground states, and ergo has a better shot of winning the general election. Obama will counter that he won more delegates. They're both right.
No matter which one wins the nomination, there are going to be a lot of very unhappy Democrats.
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As so often appears the case in American politics.Cail wrote:IOW, the popular vote doesn't mean squat.
That's crazy...why doesn't the party just pick its nominee privately then? What a waste of time and money.(Over here, the president of each political party is automatically the nominee of that party in presidential elections. Although, in theory, the party can select (internally) another candidate if they want, it doesn't really happen that way in practice.)
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It's to give the illusion of choice.
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