SerScot wrote:This is getting weirdly circular.
Links to the Watch. I like it.
--A
Moderator: I'm Murrin
Man, that wasn't entirely obvious. You're talking about the little "lol" in one of her posts? I'm glad I could make her laugh. She needs a good laugh. Glad to be of service.SerScot wrote:Zarathustra,
The blogger has linked to your post. Look all the way at the bottom of the comment section of this link:
requireshate.wordpress.com/2011/12/17/ewwww-neckbeard-cooties-the-fanboy-fallacies/#comments
This is getting weirdly circular.
WHAT A WASTE OF VALUBELE RENEWABLE RESOURCES! YOUR WRITING IS TERIBLE! I SHOULD KNOW, I WRITE A BLOG THAT CONSISTS OF ONE-STAR AMAZON REVIEWS! YOU DON'T GET THOSE EVERYDAY, NECKBEARD1 DIEEEEEEEE!Zarus...aru...ur...MANSPLAINER@ wrote:Good day, everyone
Suffrage than.Murrin wrote:Can I just quickly point out that the blogger is not American; she's Thai.
I'm from a first world, english speaking nation with close cultural and political ties to America and I still have no idea what you're talking about when you mention the 19th amendment.
A fair point. I don't know her. I was just relaying my "first impressions." If she wants to come here and correct my assumptions, she definitely knows where I'm at. I was trying to imagine her motivation, what drives a person to be so bitter and hateful. It's a natural thing to wonder about, and in the absence of information, speculation will often fall along lines of previous experiences and expectations. I've known girls that remind me of her, and that experience informs my opinions. She has made herself a target, willingly, enthusiastically, for heated speculations which go well beyond a discussion of texts, and into the motivations of people with whom she debates. This is a context she has created, and as such, it is part of "what has actually been said."Murrin wrote: By the way, can we please try not to turn this into attacks on the blogger's imagined life and character and stick to discussing what has actually been said. As with most people on the internet, we know very little about her and making assumptions is pointless.
But, if that's her point, the very thing she's criticizing is what's being depicted. The scene I read in her blog entry showed women and/or gays being treated poorly. This book is read (one must assume) by men and heterosexuals. If the social goal here is to open the eyes of men and heterosexuals into a social phenomenon which they are in a difficult positon to understand, then wouldn't depicting those phenomena be one way to foster that understanding? You can't understand something you never see or imagine. Abercrombie presents men/heterosexuals with an opportunity to contemplate these issues, rather than just pretending that they don't exist. For Abercrombie to take it a step further and openly declare within the story--THIS IS BAD--would be doing the readers' work for them. The author's hand can't be that visible without turning fiction into polemics. You can't tell people what to think in your fiction, that's just condescending. It's poor writing.SerScot wrote:Men and heterosexuals are in a difficult position to actually understand what it is to be much less powerful in a given society. As such while I don't agree with all the bloggers criticisms I can see where they are coming from.
You mean the post with the link to Z's post? It's still there... as of this postingSerScot wrote:Zarathustra,
The Blogger has deleted the post with the link.
Hmm... I'm still seeing them, I'll check later on... maybe the deletions haven't caught up to Ohio's awesome internet service yet.SerScot wrote:Well, hemroids really are pretty painful and irritating.
Orlion,
I just checked that thread. The Blogger deleted any posts made after 12/18. The link to Zarathustra was yesterday evening.
Sidetrack, but I have to protest. English is not a shitty degree. In fact, it's incredibly useful in the right hands. There are plenty of jobs out there that require people who can research large swaths of information, pulling the important bits out and synthesizing it into a usable product -- jobs that need people who know how to communicate properly and effectively (making English a great pre-law school major). The problem is, there's a lot of shitty people majoring in English who, like me, don't want to teach but don't see that there's more to it than just knowing how to read. The jobs are there; you just have to play your cards right. Those lucky or dedicated enough may even end up with a job title like "Writer-Editor" or some such.Zarathustra wrote:... So I'm guessing this girl is in her early 20s, failed out of college (Women's Studies), or got some shitty degree (English, Sociology, Women's Studies)...