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My god, this is a lazy book. Hundreds of pages of rinse, lather, repeat. So many minor characters who keep having the same experience: go into Gaunt's shop, find the one thing they want the most, get hypnotized, buy object, play "a little trick." After this same thing happening dozens of times, I'm quite bored. There is no character development, just this one trick over and over. It would have been the easiest book to write of any best seller I've ever read. Just substitute different names, different objects, different tricks, and keep repeating.

I'm not finished yet ... about 3/4 the way through. So maybe my opinion will change. I did like the one scene we get from Gaunt's perspective, at the end of the first half. It answered the most important question: why the hell would this guy care to get people to be shitty to each other? Apparently, it's just his form of entertainment. Unfortunately, it's not mine. I derive absolutely no pleasure in seeing these people be petty and mean to each other.
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I quite enjoyed seeing all the different "illusions" they laboured under. Wasn't a huge fan of the ending though to be honest.

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Avatar wrote:I quite enjoyed seeing all the different "illusions" they laboured under. Wasn't a huge fan of the ending though to be honest.

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I enjoyed it the first dozen times. :lol:

I do think it's an interesting point that we can all be materialistic and addicted to our possessions. These are (some of) the things that drive us a little crazy. People HAVE to have the latest phone, etc.

I wish more time had been given to the main characters, rather than a page or two at a time before it shifted to some other random person we haven't met yet.

I'm almost 500 pages in, and only one significant thing has happened: the "duel" between the two crazy women. Literally everything thing else has been people shopping and playing tricks (usually consisting of leaving a note and perhaps some vandalism). That's a lot of treading water. Very shallow water.
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Yeah, the thing between the two women is/was/gets pretty heavy. One of the more memorable parts. I would have liked more about Gaunt myself.

(Oh, and by the ending, I mean like the last couple pages...I quite enjoyed the climax that all the "tricks" eventually built up to.)

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I've read another 40 or 50 pages today.

I'll have to say that once the feces finally starts hitting the fan, it's quite a shitstorm. My god. Paragraphs become plot points. It's a hell of ride, once it starts moving.
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Zarathustra wrote:I've read another 40 or 50 pages today.

I'll have to say that once the feces finally starts hitting the fan, it's quite a shitstorm. My god. Paragraphs become plot points. It's a hell of ride, once it starts moving.
This was my experience of the book. Very slow build up, but I loved the climax where the whole place goes apeshit.
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That's what I meant. :D I remember a few events that had me flat out laughing. :D

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It's been forever since I've read it, but I recall enjoying it quite a bit. Considering that his output during that era was almost universally awful, NT really doesn't seem that bad.
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Yeah, I just finished it today, and the last 200 pages are pretty good. It reminds of the writing teacher in Adaptation who advises, "Wow them in the end, and they'll forgive everything else," or something like that. King knows how to finish a story strong. I enjoyed it (though not as much as Bag of Bones).

So, on to the next book. Maybe I'll try something newer ... though I am intrigued about the references to other Castle Rock novels, none of which I've read.
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