Kevin's Watch

Mr. Card wanted us to start with Red Prophet. I think there were licensing issues with Seventh Son that might be cleared up later on.

Fair enough I guess, if a little disappointing. Checked out the site...some interesting stuff. Artwork for RP looks pretty good.

Thanks for the info.

--A

We fully intend to continue to adapt his books (especially if sales continue to be as good as they are now) so its possible you will see the first of the series.

Lady Revel wrote:I really enjoyed Ender's Shadow, it was fun to see how he portrayed the same scenes from a different perspective.

I totally agree with this. When I got to the end of the quartet (I loved the whole set ) I kinda felt like I wanted to get that same vibe that I got when I was reading Ender's Game. Then I went on to Ender's Shadow and bam, I was there again but at a different angle. It was great looking at Ender from that place. I can say that I enjoyed Ender's Shadow almost as much as I did Ender's Game. What an excellent set of books. Greatly looking forward to the brand new installments. Hopefully the movie doesn't blow.

Dawngreeter wrote:

Some interesting additions to the Shadow series coming down the pike,

Shadows in Flight is a yet-to-be-published science fiction novel, which will link the Bean quartet back to the Ender novels.

Ender in Exile: Ganges (working title) is an additional book to the Ender's Game series of books that will work on tying the Ender Quartet and Bean Quartet together

WOO HOO! I thought he was all done! So glad to hear there are more in planning! Thanks for letting us know about them, Dawngreeter! *grin*

HOWEVER, I have read about OSC's ideas of censorship, and I must admit, I am sorely disappointed by them.

I really enjoy his books, but the whole censorship thing sorta puts a damper on things.....

I worked in a library for years (accountant, not as a librarian) but the whole freedom of speech, press, etc is really ingrained in me now. I feel it is an important right for folks to have, and I rather resent his high handed notions.

Its a darn shame, that's all I can say. I wish I had remained ignorant of his personal leanings.....I am afraid it may keep me from enjoying his future books as much as I have the prior.

It won't affect me in any way. (Nice to see you around Lady Revel...you visited and din't drop into the 'Tank? For Shame. )

An author's personal beliefs and opinions don't impact on my enjoyment of his writings.

I love Kahlil Gibran, for example. The fact that he was a devout christian doesn't affect it.

Card's...what...Mormonism? has no effect either. Unless he was writing a book overtly dependant on his beliefs of course, in which case I probably wouldn't read it anyway.

--A

I got the 1st issue of Wyrms, and really liked it. I never saw the Red Prophet in the store, though.

Red Prophet sold quickly, but I think you can get both #1 and #2 from our online store.... #3 I sincerely hope will be out soon because I'm really liking the story and I'd like to see what's next.

SoulQuest1970 wrote: I find it amusing as a kinda sorta Catholic that was married to a former Morman. lol Card had one Catholic parent and one Mormon parent so his religious undertones amuse me.

He did? Where did you get that information (if you are still around)? I never heard anything of the sort, and I have been frequenting Card's website for a least 4 years.

I'm pretty deep into Alvin Maker right now, so I figured this thread could use a bump. I LOVE how I'm 4 books deep and still being blindsided by a lot of the cool little historical connections that he puts into the plot almost sideways. It makes hie world seem so much bigger and more alive to have these cunning little similarities stand in contrast to simple but monumental differences. I suspected that when Taleswapper was called Blake in the 3rd book, he was this man en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Blake and it was a thrill to have it confirmed in the fourth book. He may have alluded to it before though, and I'm just slow.

It actually reminds me of some of my favorite Sandman stories, that are in a historical context, and my absolute favorite issue "Four Septembers and a January" in the Distant Mirrors arc. (It's the issue about Emperor Norton I, emperor of the United States.)

Ender's Game and Speaker are two of my all-timers. Love Card, have read most of his work. I think Speaker for the Dead is a masterpiece.

taraswizard wrote:www4.ncsu.edu/~tenshi/Killer_000.htm

An article that discusses and gives some criticism to Ender's Game. The essay was written in 2004 AFAIK.

Good article about a great book. The article reminds me that although the book is a kind of morality play, the lesson is only made possible through the approval of adults in the book. And only because of the extremity of the situation they are facing from the aliens. So it is really no morality tale at all, Ender's Game is a classic "life-boat" scenario in which morality is all but thrown out the window in favor of survival. Ender just happens to be (1) innocent or perhaps naive, and he is kept naive by the adults around him; (2) he is stronger and smarter than everybody else on the "life-boat."

The author of the article states that OSC wants to generate sympathy for Ender. But that is a ploy even in the WWE. And where is the challenge in that? SRD generated sympathy for a rapist, and Ender is no rapist. Even if TC is not a rapist at heart, he is not portrayed as a nice guy. But by the end of three books SRD manages to generate sympathy for him anyway.

Just read Ender's Game. I don't have any idea why it's considered a masterpiece, but it was definitely a quick, fun read.

There's a good thread in the Hangar about it.

I like it a lot. But I think I like Bean's perspective in Ender's Shadow more.

The next book, Speaker for the Dead is awesome on many levels.

--A

I think Ender's Game is a masterpiece in that it's one of those titles one would bring up to expound the virtues of scifi, but I wouldn't compare it to Speaker or Dune. Speaker however is nearly a masterpiece - there's a far more reflective and contemplative story within and it's also amazingly written and compelling. My fourth fav behind Dune, the Chrons. and Jurassic Park is Speaker while Ender is about my eighth.

I bought Speaker today. Good through 45 pages.

Never read it Fist? Think you'll like it. Your kinda book.

--A

I definitely liked it more than EG. Still, I guess it would have been better if I'd read it long ago, before I'd read things that explored concepts like "the truth shall set you free" deeper. I agreed when one character said a psychology student could have done the same thing.

Ender was extremely cool, though. He reminded me a lot of Danlo, the way he intuitively knew things.

And, of course, the mysteries of the piggies were fun to learn.

Really, both books were good, fun reads. They just didn't quite do it for me.

Fist and Faith wrote:Just read Ender's Game. I don't have any idea why it's considered a masterpiece, but it was definitely a quick, fun read.

I just finished it. I don't get the hooplah. I just don't get it. I thought it was very young stuff. A great read for a tween. I don't know, it was just silly and superficial to me. Felt like he made a story from a video game.

lorin wrote:

Fist and Faith wrote:Just read Ender's Game. I don't have any idea why it's considered a masterpiece, but it was definitely a quick, fun read.

I just finished it. I don't get the hooplah. I just don't get it. I thought it was very young stuff. A great read for a tween. I don't know, it was just silly and superficial to me. Felt like he made a story from a video game.

Yep. The best one can say (the one being me ) about Ender's Game is that it is accessible. But apparently, so is Twilight.

I personally never finished it.