Battlestar Galactica...

[Cail]

I really need to get the series on DVD. I can only catch one or two episodes a month (stupid Friday 10pm timeslot), so I'm completely lost. But everytime I watch it, I'm amazed at how good the writing is.

Last night's show was great.

[High Lord Tolkien]

Wow!
Just WOW!


Oh, and a good WTF?! too.

[sindatur]

I really need to get the series on DVD. I can only catch one or two episodes a month (stupid Friday 10pm timeslot), so I'm completely lost. But everytime I watch it, I'm amazed at how good the writing is.

Last night's show was great.

Why not just tape them on Fridays? I never get the opportunity to watch while it's airing. I always tape Friday noght and watch over the weekend.

[Cail]

Because that would be the smart thing to do, ergo there's little chance I'd actually do it.

[Romeo]

It looks like both guesses are wrong. What an episode last night!!

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Seeing that Baltar haunts #6 as much as she haunts him is incredible!!! That was SO cool, him being so confident and all!! It would seem to prove that she isn't any kind of mental projection into his head, but an hallucination instead. Something odd between them, to be sure, for that to have happened for both of them. I was never sure she wasn't an hallucination, but if she wasn't, I figured he was just some kind of wimp, or crazy, or something. But her being the same way isn't as likely as the thought that they had some kind of connection that we can't explain. Cylon physiology is difficult to explain, eh? Maybe they imprinted on each other in some weird way.

I'm not so sure about that...

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I'll concede the guess about Anders - if he was really a cylon, they wouldn't have immediately treated him as a human.

But I'm sure more than ever that Baltar is a cylon. It's more than a hallucination - he gets information from Number 6 that would be impossible to come up with unless there's an outside source of information. She knew that there was going to be a baby, and that it would be in that cell, for example. They may both be "damaged goods," but they're mechanical damaged goods. Plus, if the explosion was enough to kill Number 6 in Balter's house, what's the chance that Baltar himself survived? And if you remember, he showed a bit of wear when he got onto Boomer's raptor to escape Caprica, but I would never have guessed that he was through an explosion that was enough to kill the person standing right in front of him. I think the person 6 had to meet in the town square was the cylon Baltar. The only kink I can see in that logic is that 6 seemed surprised when she found out that Baltar was alive and on the Galactica. But I think that can be explained away somehow.

But both the recent episodes were pretty startling! Last week's ("The Captain's Hand") started out pretty slow, but man-o-man did it ever escalate rather quickly. I was sure what was coming when the Pegasus jumped away, but actually seeing it still shocked the heck out of me. I think that new captain was played by John Heard? He was the father in Home Alone, was the "bad guy" in Big, etc. Good actor. And how about the very end (with Apolo and Adama in his stateroom)? One shock after another, eh?

Two more episodes left this season! Should be interesting to see what the cliffhanger is this time.

[Fist and Faith]

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The only kink I can see in that logic is that 6 seemed surprised when she found out that Baltar was alive and on the Galactica. But I think that can be explained away somehow.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking, too. But, as you say, it can be explained away if they want it to be.

But, on the same token:

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But I'm sure more than ever that Baltar is a cylon. It's more than a hallucination - he gets information from Number 6 that would be impossible to come up with unless there's an outside source of information. She knew that there was going to be a baby, and that it would be in that cell, for example. They may both be "damaged goods," but they're mechanical damaged goods. Plus, if the explosion was enough to kill Number 6 in Balter's house, what's the chance that Baltar himself survived? And if you remember, he showed a bit of wear when he got onto Boomer's raptor to escape Caprica, but I would never have guessed that he was through an explosion that was enough to kill the person standing right in front of him.

IIRC, she was standing tall, in front of a picture window. She didn't want to take the chance of being crippled (interesting development in that regard, eh? ), so didn't try to stay alive. But he was on the ground, behind whatever he could find. No, I don't think it would have been sufficient if it really happened that way. But, after all, this is tv.

The information #6 gives him might be more difficult. But still, if they want, they can explain it away.

Actually, your theory is good, and very possible. I think I just want as many humans as possible to really be humans. We've had a few, "S/he's a cylon?!?" moments, and the huge one with Sharon, but I'd rather they didn't try to shock us out of our shoes like that too often. However, I'm still holding out hope that Adama is a cylon, because of what that one said while being interrogated, before the president sent him out the airlock. If so, it will have gone from "No way!!" to "OK, he was lying." to everybody forgot about it, to "NO WAY!!!!!"

For the life of me, I can't remember anything about the preview of the two-part season finale, but I remember thinking it looked real good!

[High Lord Tolkien]

Remember we don't know *HOW* #6 was killed at Baltar's home.

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It could have been a blow to the head wound similar to how #5(?) was killed by #6 (falling part of the house?)

It doesn't have to be some spectacular destructive force that also should have killed Baltar.
Although that blast did look pretty powerful.

[Romeo]

Yeah - and the only thing Baltar was hiding behind was #6's legs. Not a bad way to go, eh?

That one line of Leoban's - about Adama being a cylon - was a shocker. It doesn't seem like them to lie when the truth would hurt more. But Adama is a *last* name - not an entire name as with the original series. Like Yoda would say, "There ... is ... another ........ Adama." And even that may be too obvious for their (the writers') scheming minds. Could they bring Zack back into the story? Or the Admiral's ex-wife? Was she remarried, or just "going to get" remarried in the miniseries? I can't remember.

Anyway, in the next episode trailer it looks like they find an inhabitable planet. And some people push for permanently settling there. Most of the trailer was clips from past shows, so it didn't give away as much as it tried to set it up. It didn't look like it had the potential for a cliffhanger ending as staggering as the end of Season 1, or the first half of Season 2. But good writers seem to have a way of sneaking up on you at the last possible moment and dropping a very unexpected nuke.

[Fist and Faith]

Yeah, it would be extremely interesting to see Zack show up! The Old Man would have a heart attack!

Now that you reminded me what the season finale preview was, I was thinking the same thing. It doesn't look like a shocker. But then, I didn't have a clue about the end of Season 1.

[Fist and Faith]

Well, hard to know from this ep. Gotta wait for next week's 90-minute Part 2. Some interesting stuff, though. Chief's little problem was intense. And the priest that saw him was very cool!

[Romeo]

Yes - it turned out to be a LOT different than I thought from the trailer. And Dean Stockwell as the priest was great! But one thing concerns me about it. He used the same wording as Number 6 did when Baltar said he was going to implicate Daro as a cylon (in the mini series), "maybe I know your'e not a cylon because I'm one myself and I haven't seen you at any of the cylon meetings." It can't be entirely coincidental that those words were the same.

Last week I went to the SciFi Channel's web site to get the name of the previous episode, and they had a picture from this week's episode. At first I thought it was Starbuck and Anders facing each other (Starbuck in her combat helmet), but the more I looked at it the more it looked like Apollo to me - so I didn't mention anything. Guess I should have gone with my first impression, eh?

Next week's should be fantastic - there are going to be a lot of bad things happening. I'm concerned about the Chief, though. If they do a cliff hanger with him following through on his dreams, I think they'll end up doing it for real so it doesn't follow the same pattern of the end of the first season. Yikes!!

[Romeo]

Here's a thought... Theoban told Roslyn, "Adama is a cylon." But he didn't, as noted earlier in this thread, say *which* Adama.

I was just rewatching some episodes. The one that caught my eye was with the black market - where there are flashbacks of Lee and some other woman who he left on Caprica. She was holding her stomach in the flashbacks, and at the end the prostitute said to Lee, "she wanted to give you a child and you pushed her away." What if that woman was a cylon, and Lee impregnated her? That could make it another "Adama."

[Fist and Faith]

Man, that's really reaching! And yet, not at all impossible.

[Romeo]

Sorry - I've been even more out of my mind than usual lately. So stuff like this ends up coming out.

Should be an interesting finale this Friday! And on top of it all my 16 year old son is having a bunch of friends over to watch it. (he's only watched the mini series and the first episode so far - and he's done that because the girl he likes is really into the series) All he needs is his father sitting there hooting and hollering louder than anyone else. Heh heh.

[High Lord Tolkien]

One of the things I like least about this "human Cylon" concept is determining which came first: the Human or the Cylon.

Let's take Tigh's wife.
She's probably the worst.
Was she was originally a human and then captured and duplicated?
That idea is horrible in my opinion!
When was it done?
Before the Colonies were attacked?
Before they knew whether or not the Galactica would survive?
After the attack when she was on another ship in the fleet?
Weak weak weak idea.

But what if she was always a Cylon?
And Tigh only met and married her months or a year before the attack?
That might make more sense.

I would prefer that the versions that we've seen so far are "original" in that they are not human copies.
That their whole individual "history" is manufactured.
I sense that this is what they are trying to do but any talk of an Adama being a Cylon just throws that idea out the window.

How can Commander Adama

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(lol, nows there's 2 of those!)

be a Cylon if he has kids?
How can Zack be a Cylon if he has a family that knows him.

I hope they don't go with that type of story.
Sounds too much like a metalic version Invasion of the Bodysnatchers to me.

[sindatur]

One of the things I like least about this "human Cylon" concept is determining which came first: the Human or the Cylon.

Let's take Tigh's wife.
She's probably the worst.
Was she was originally a human and then captured and duplicated?
That idea is horrible in my opinion!
When was it done?
Before the Colonies were attacked?
Before they knew whether or not the Galactica would survive?
After the attack when she was on another ship in the fleet?
Weak weak weak idea.

But what if she was always a Cylon?
And Tigh only met and married her months or a year before the attack?
That might make more sense.

I would prefer that the versions that we've seen so far are "original" in that they are not human copies.
That their whole individual "history" is manufactured.
I sense that this is what they are trying to do but any talk of an Adama being a Cylon just throws that idea out the window.

How can Commander Adama

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(lol, nows there's 2 of those!)

be a Cylon if he has kids?
How can Zack be a Cylon if he has a family that knows him.

I hope they don't go with that type of story.
Sounds too much like a metalic version Invasion of the Bodysnatchers to me.

Huh??? Tighe's wife isn't a Cylon?

I got the impression, especially from Sharon's story (in her Caprica Apartment) that the human looking Cylons have always been Cylons, with a phony made up history. Sharon, just didn't happen to know it.

In the case of Adama being a Cylon, if they chose to make Admiral Adama (The Old man) one, that could still fit, because Zack and Lee could be adopted children that believed he was their biological father.

[dANdeLION]

Guys, I have a MAJOR BG spoiler to tell you....

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Lorne Greene was gay, and ate Alpo, because he thought it gave him a shinier coat.

[Romeo]

Huh????

Anyway... I think that the fleshy cylons are clones of some kind of beings that were originally human. And I'd bet that the originals are still alive, since they may need the original genetic material to make more clones (otherwise you'd get replicative fading - copy of a copy of a copy ...). So the cylon Sharon might think that her past is a fabrication, but it really isn't - not for the "real" Sharon, anyway, who all the number 8 clones are based on. There had to be a real Sharon - how else could she ended up in the colonial fleet? I'm sure there was some kind of background security check - and although the cylons could have fabricated a story and put it into a machine's memory, it would be a bit harder to beat a (legitimate) security check. Or am I thinking too much into it?

But I did notice two occurrances of a time frame. Number 6 lived on Caprica for two years, and Sharon joined the Galactica as a rookie pilot two years ago.

Ellen Tigh had BETTER be a cylon! Or else Sharon's statement of "maybe you don't deserve to survive" (as a race) is a bit more legimate than we'd like to admit. Gods, I just want to stick a wad of feldercarb into that big mouth of hers every time she opens it!

[High Lord Tolkien]

Ummmm.......
Maybe I do like the new Cylons better.
I mean, it has been a few years.

[Cail]

Oh dear God.......