Blah blah blah blah. I'm not trying to pass myself off as smart or sarcastic, but judging by your behaviour you fail to satisfy either description.Zarathustra wrote:Have you read the entire thread? Or are you just assuming that the people you are addressing here are ignorant? That seems to be your M.O., given how you made a nearly identical point in my UFO thread.FindailsCrispyPancakes wrote:This sort of thing normally starts when people fail to understand sensationalised magazine articles about the Holographic Principle, which is commonly interpreted to mean "Dude, the universe could be a hologram or a computer simulation!"
I get it. You're smart. You're sarcastic. So am I. Nice to meet you.
But you're missing so much diving in with these assumptions . . .
Despite Musk's great achievements in his career(s), I have taken issue with Musk on several occasions. Honestly, I wasn't even aware that he'd weighed in on this particular issue. His opinion means nothing to me here.FindailsCrispyPancakes wrote:Despite what Elon Musk may say in sensationalised magazine articles, it just doesn't work. It's a nice idea for a sci-fi movie or a sensationalised magazine article, but in reality it doesn't fly. Here's why:
Only if you are simulating the entire universe. I dealt with this in my first post here [which is why I think you not only haven't read the entire thread, but you haven't read *any* of it. I appreciate your eagerness, but if you're going to talk down to people, maybe you shouldn't make assumptions about their arguments first]. One of the main points of the simulation theory is that storage capacity is finite, and therefore simulated quantities like space aren't continuous, but discrete (as the proposed measurements of cosmic rays would confirm/disconfirm). Also, the idea in quantum theory that proxy waves aren't collapsed until a measurement/observation occurs could be explained by this limit in storage/capacity: reality doesn't take on definitive values for properties until someone looks at it. So the vast majority of the universe needn't be calculated because it needn't have definitive values.FindailsCrispyPancakes wrote:1) The storage/calculation capacity to run the universe as a program/simulation/hologram would need be multiverse sized, even if you could store your data in the smallest possible space.
Completely irrelevant to the discussion here. The Holographic Principle isn't the same as the idea that the universe is a simulation running on a computer.FindailsCrispyPancakes wrote:2) The Holographic Principle is a method for calculating the amount of information within a black hole embedded in Anti De Sitter space. The information content is determined by the surface area of such a black hole and not by the volume.
Therefore, it could be said that the interior of a black hole embedded in Anti De Sitter space is a 3 dimensional projection of the 2 dimensional information encoded on the surface (event horizon) of the black hole.
I'll restrict myself to pointing out that the premise of the thread is about the entire universe being simulated and not part of it. Thank you for your opinion that the Holographic Principle is of no use when discussing if the ENTIRE universe could be a simulation. I'll agree to disagree with you.
You seem to be under the impression that my posts are aimed exclusively at you and that your contribution to any thread is of greater significance than all others.
Knock it off.
I responded to your first torrent of drivel on the other thread, there's no way I'm bothering with this garbage any more. I get it. You don't like people discussing a point of view on a scientific subject if it's not the same as your point of view. You'd rather just attack them because you are under the mistaken impression they're talking down to you.
I'm not talking down to you. I'm simply entering a discussion with points of view that are not identical to yours. You are clearly so addicted to attacking anyone who disagrees with you, you just can't stop yourself.
I get it. You hate me and my posts. 2 in a row you've done this and counting. Now do us both a favour. This a waste of your energy and mine. So before you turn into an internet stalker, might I politely suggest you stop with the weirdo bit?
I've literally just arrived on these forums and right now you're definitely filed under 'freak'. You might be very bright but you need to calm down.