Pantheon: The Third Age - Rules and Comments Thread

[Damelon]

I liked your folding Shaka's story in, uKulwa. I recognized it right away.

[Xar]

As the turn results take shape, a series of clarifications appear to be in order.

1) Some of you might find that, in their turn e-mails, their Wealth modifier is actually two numbers, one of which is in parentheses, such as:

Wealth +0 (+2)

This means that while the deity normally would earn wealth (+2), circumstances at the moment prevent that wealth from being earned. This brings me to

2) Every now and then, there is a chance that one or more cities are beset by brigands and criminals, depending on how wild and lawless are the areas surrounding it. If bandits attack, until the situation is dealt with, the city and the surrounding areas will not produce any more wealth (so the total wealth modifier will be reduced by the city's own).

3) Every now and then, depending on the sanitary conditions of each area, there is a chance that plague outbreaks spontaneously manifest themselves. If this happens, Treasury points will be drained until the plague is cured.

4) If an accident occurs that requires you to pay Treasury points to repair (such as a flood or a cold snap that damages your people's livestock), this money will be automatically subtracted from your Treasury score: if there is no money in the Treasury, Contentment will go down.

[Madadeva]

- Every now and then, there is a chance that one or more cities are beset by brigands and criminals, depending on how wild and lawless are the areas surrounding it.

- Every now and then, depending on the sanitary conditions [Sorry Uncle Rothmog!! ] of each area, there is a chance that plague outbreaks spontaneously manifest themselves.

- If an accident occurs ... such as a flood or a cold snap that damages your people's livestock, Treasury [or] Contentment will go down.

Must be an interesting Turn!!!

[Rothmog]

ohohoh, i'm ready to help who will have problem with plagues in their cities!

[[Syl]]

Since it's not Aarklar's nature to say so directly, out of character I'm going to say that I find the whole debate in game a little pointless.

One. Four turn immunity. There is no attacking, so it's not like uKulwa is on the verge of wiping out O-gon-cho's followers or vice versa. I suppose a god could forfeit their immunity by trying, but it wouldn't do any good unless the other one also agreed.

Two. We're talking about unclaimed, unowned lands here. Nobody has them yet outside their own plans. Plans are not valid claims. Neither is history. The past is past.

Three. In the end (unless there's still a stalemate at the end of four turns), it's going to come down to who can recruit the best. Wouldn't it be best to worry about the use of force when we actually know the forces involved?

Three and a half. uKulwa is the god of War and his people fanatics. Does anybody believe that Av could really let his people cohabit the same location? There would be constant strife, and he'd spend all of his resources trying to quell the problems that would arise. We all intend to spread our influence, and as that is the most immediate area for his followers... If both parties remain, conflict is inevitable (without concessions being made, at least). Av is just being honest about it. If he didn't care, he wouldn't offer help or recompense.

My two cents, anyway. No need to bring the debate to the comments thread. I just wanted to get that off my chest and have nothing further to add or discuss about it publicly.

[Madadeva]

Boy ... it is gonna kill you to play a god of fewer words than even Syl !!

[[Syl]]

I'm honing my succcinctness.

[Damelon]

I'm going to step out of character to take issue with your second point, Syl.

What is the history of Jerusalem other than one of old claims. History can matter.

I plan on giving the rest of my point of view later in character.

[Fist and Faith]

A deity cannot be the victim of a direct attack during that deity's immunity period. Nothing says we cannot kill each others' followers (or destroy buildings, screw with another's domain, etc) during that period. But if the attacking deity is in an immunity period, the immunity ends.

[Menolly]

I would like to point out that while Imray/Immeril is cho's home, all higher conscious mortals on Imray are imported. As of now, I have no idea how the centaurs got to Imray.

Even Raucous came to Immeril in the Second Age from across the seas, once the Mists parted.

To be fair, I have insisted Imray is cho's historic home. Not necessarily that of her followers. I do appreciate the support cho's POV is getting in the Game thread. But I think that one detail may have been forgotten.

[I'm Murrin]

A deity cannot be the victim of a direct attack during that deity's immunity period. Nothing says we cannot kill each others' followers (or destroy buildings, screw with another's domain, etc) during that period. But if the attacking deity is in an immunity period, the immunity ends.

I've been told that just converting (deliberately) another god's followers is an attack, so I wouldn't be so sure that you can do those things and not face consequences.

[Fist and Faith]

I could understand that view.

[Cameraman Jenn]

Geez, stay out of Pantheon for a weekend and look what you miss. I have something to say about the past argument. I thought this was Pantheon 3 and that we were all starting on equal footing. I really hope that old claims/historical claims from Pantheon 2 don't count because then why should I even bother playing if someone can just say "hey, I had that land in game 1 or game 2 so it's really still mine, sorry Keev you gots to go." That hardly sounds fair to me at all. Correct me if I am worrying for nothing please but I am a little confused and worried right now.

[Menolly]

Jenn, no. Keep in mind cho is not arguing she has the right to have land because of old claims. Her argument is that she has no desire to take compensation to leave because it is her home. She wants to arrange a way for both deities to share the land. If such can not be arranged, then she will make a stand to stay where she chose.

That is all she is arguing.

[Damelon]

Ach. Out of character comment again.

You're worrying about nothing, Jenn. I not letting who may have inhabited the area around where I am in the previous game bother me, and for all I know it may bother somebody. Historical claims can be a part of the game though, as otherwise the world would have been recreated from scratch. Think of it as a dimly remembered history but not binding to everyone.

[Cameraman Jenn]

Ok, that's cool. I already feel at a disadvantage having 1) never played an rpg before, 2) never having played Pantheon, 3) not knowing all the infights/insights/personal interactions/history of more than half the players. I would hate to think that I was at even more of a disadvantage than that.

[Arcadia]

Jenn, you're cool. this kind of debate is part of the fun of the game. Heck, Creator and I used to go at it all the time in P2.

Although I am a little sad to hear that some players are not happy with the debate. it is kind of roleplaying, isn't it? If we can't debate in the game thread then what is the point of even having a game thread?

[Madadeva]

I agree - I like the debates! I would not see them ended. Although I do understand and support the suggestions for having a 'story' thread and a 'dialogue' thread if there is a demand for such.

[Cameraman Jenn]

Calais, I wasn't complaining about the debate, rather wanting clarification about part of the debate. Fight all you want dieties.

[Arcadia]

oh no. I knew you weren't. I just didn't want you to worry about historical claims or anything likr that.