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I'm not so sure of that, as Gereden mentions that it was one of his early ideas as an apt.samrw3 wrote:Another hint.
You could question Geraden. We first find out about the possibility from him telling Terisa. *
*Although Eremis and or Gilbur most likely thought of it first.
You are correct I forgot he thought of it at a young age. I just thought it may have been possible that Eremis or Gilbur thought of it first because they figured out how to make it happen. From there I guessed that may have taken years of thought and practice . But now based on your suggestion I revise that to say Geraden most likely did think of it first.IrrationalSanity wrote:I'm not so sure of that, as Gereden mentions that it was one of his early ideas as an apt.samrw3 wrote:Another hint.
You could question Geraden. We first find out about the possibility from him telling Terisa. *
*Although Eremis and or Gilbur most likely thought of it first.
[Although the book does not give a definite answer]Hunchback Jack wrote:Trying to determine how to translate a glass through another glass without breaking both? That is what is needed to translate within the same world without a flat glass (ie. two curves glasses via another world).
HBJ
It is true that Master Barsonage was having the Congery work on that, Sky, and he concealed this work from Master Eremis.Skyweir wrote:Barsonage has been working on a hall of mirrors ... through which they can transport all the armies supplies, personnel etc
Hunchback Jack wrote:Well, that would be rather convoluted, given that most Imagers can't really control what location mirrors show.
(Aside: I love the rules that Donaldson created for Imagery, by the way.)
something like that. 
He was really so close. I would almost give it to him. All of the pieces are there, but it is a little bit too much information (with one piece frustratingly wrong) to precisely answer the question. (Sort of like a Jeopardy question, where a last name only is considered correct, but adding the wrong first name invalidates it...)Cord Hurn wrote:Hunchback Jack wrote:Trying to determine how to translate a glass through another glass without breaking both? That is what is needed to translate within the same world without a flat glass (ie. two curves glasses via another world).
HBJ
Think about WHY an Imager would like to translate one glass into another glass, though, and then you'll have the subject of research that Barsonage is referring to in his talk with Eremis.
I thought so to...very very close. In fact I had to re-read it for a second to realize where it was wrong.IrrationalSanity wrote:He was really so close. I would almost give it to him. All of the pieces are there, but it is a little bit too much information (with one piece frustratingly wrong) to precisely answer the question. (Sort of like a Jeopardy question, where a last name only is considered correct, but adding the wrong first name invalidates it...)Cord Hurn wrote:Hunchback Jack wrote:Trying to determine how to translate a glass through another glass without breaking both? That is what is needed to translate within the same world without a flat glass (ie. two curves glasses via another world).
HBJ
Think about WHY an Imager would like to translate one glass into another glass, though, and then you'll have the subject of research that Barsonage is referring to in his talk with Eremis.
Eremis grinned around the rim of his goblet. This was better than he had anticipated, more fun. He liked opponents who were capable of surprises. He had grown almost fond of King Joyse. Even Lebbick had his good side. Geraden was virtually likeable. And as for Terisa--
That made their destruction especially exciting.
Unite the Masters, was that it? Then they would have to be un-united.
He twirled his goblet in his long fingers. "Thank you, Master Barsonage," he said happily. "I understand you now.
"What work is the Congery doing with its rediscovered purpose?"
Again the mediator shrugged. A trickle of water ran out of his chest hair across his belly. It will not surprise you. We labor to learn how it is that men such as the High King's Monomach, who is no Imager, and Master Gilbur, whose talents are known to us, can be____________________________.
Hunchback Jack wrote:Maybe, two tenets?
1) That you need a flat glass to translate to somewhere else in the same world, and ...
2) Such a translation should drive the translator mad?
Edited to add: dammit, I answered the hint and not the question!
HBJ
The concern about "how they use flat glass without going mad" is a key part of the answer, for sure!YOU HAVE IT, SKYWEIR! Hunchback Jack's answer only lacked Master Barsonage's concern about these appearances out of thin air occuring "in and out of Orison", which is how he framed it as a matter of defense to Eremis.Skyweir wrote:How to translate through flat glass without losing ones sanity?
Specifically in and out of Orison
But we already posited this answer.
Correct. Of course, the answer I would have been looking for was simply that Barsonage said the congery had dedicated themselves to discovering how Gart (and friends) were able to translate themselves in and out of Orison without going mad. You became "wrong" by adding the bit about the mirrors. (It wasn't how they "used flat mirrors" without going mad, or anything about dual translation. Just how they managed to translate in and out without going mad.)Hunchback Jack wrote:Well done, Skyweir!
(By the way, was the detail that I got wrong the mention of using two curved glasses? On reflection (pun intended) I think you would have to translate a flat glass through a curved glass in order to travel within the same world without going mad. A curved glass made in Mordant will never show an image of Mordant).
HBJ
