Kevin's Watch

Don't worry, Malazan isn't that great anyway.

Ignore fools in Lords' clothing!!

Lord Mhoram wrote:Don't worry, Malazan isn't that great anyway.

Oh...really???

*casting a wayward eyebrow towards Luci and Fist*

First I've heard that impression...

Heh. Yeah I know a lot of fantasty fans are huge on it. I didn't think it was that great. I read Gardens and Deadhouse Gates. They were both good, but not spectacular. Not good enough to make me read several more 700-page novels. It has a huge cast of characters, most of whom lack any meaningful depth. The series has a pretty intricate political world which I liked, but the magic was too complex for me to get into. By the way, A Song of Ice and Fire is a million times better than Malazan.

I'll give you Gardens. It was, iirc, a video game world that he turned into a novel. I have some problems with it, which I discussed in the thread, and I pretty much agreed with Malik.

But Deadhouse Gates??? Man, if you don't get a feeling of extreme reverence when you hear the words Chain of Dogs, then I'm not sure you've still got a pulse!!! The many years that came between Gardens and Gates really showed, imo.

And yet Memories of Ice is my favorite of the (not quite) four I've read! DAMN!!

Amusing that you and I feel opposite about both ASOIAF and Malazan, and for the same qualities! The politics of Malazan may or may not be as complex as in ASOIAF. But politics alone isn't remotely interesting to me, and that's all there is in ASOIAF. But it's accompanied in Malazan by the most complex magic I've run across in any series I've read. Combined with a couple of the races/species, and the Bridgeburners... Just extraordinary stuff!!!

*shrug* Different strokes, eh?

Lord Mhoram wrote:Heh. Yeah I know a lot of fantasty fans are huge on it. I didn't think it was that great. I read Gardens and Deadhouse Gates. They were both good, but not spectacular. Not good enough to make me read several more 700-page novels. It has a huge cast of characters, most of whom lack any meaningful depth. The series has a pretty intricate political world which I liked, but the magic was too complex for me to get into. By the way, A Song of Ice and Fire is a million times better than Malazan.

*narrows eyes at heretofore heroic young man* <sigh>

(do mods get a one time use only ban stick ever? how could one GET a one time use only ban stick. to whom would one petition to get a one time use only ban stick. )


i cannot speak to ASoIaF. i have not read it. and it will be a long time till it do. because i am entrenched in all things Malazan, oh ye of short attention spans.





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oh yeah and ps...

i think that's Ganoes Paran and Adjuct Lorn on the cover of GotM, only one of whom sort of becomes a Bridgeburner.
and guess what folks, that's always been my title, except for the short time we were bereft of custom titles and i was a Lord.

About Menolly's cover: The fans complained about th cover in general, but in particular about the ridiculous steel bodice. The publishers removed the girl from the paperback release because of that.

The difference between Erikson and Martin is that Erikson's books get better with each successive book. Deadhouse Gates was hard, but I made it through. Not so with Martin's last.

I guess I throw in with Mhoram on this one. I've only made it through Memories of Ice in Malazan but I think ASOIAF is clearly superior.

Murrin wrote:About Menolly's cover: The fans complained about th cover in general, but in particular about the ridiculous steel bodice.

... but there is no steel bodice too rediculous for Lucimay!!!

:run:

Murrin wrote:About Menolly's cover: The fans complained about th cover in general, but in particular about the ridiculous steel bodice.

Right? For the vast majority of my life, getting my hands on those babies has been difficult enough. Encasing them in steel is redundant and cruel.

Well...

...some of us could use the support of a steel bodice...

Just currious as to how many people Luci actually gace Gardens of the Moon to...

It must be more than just me and Menolly

*nod*

I initially refused my copy at E'Fest, not knowing Luci routinely gives it out. But I was assured it is something she does fairly consistently.

--hey...where did my Edgetar go?

Never read the Malazan books (what are they about?) or ASOIAF.

It's so wonderful to have Brian back!!! Brings back fantastic memories!!!

Malazan fans: My big gripe is that I have no motivation to read the next book. I don't care about any of the characters, since I got not depth out of any of them. With ASoIaF, you become extremely emotionally attached to a lot of the main characters. Or at least I have. It's not just that there are too many characters in Malazan (there are). Martin has almost as many, and his series is (imo) way better. Also, it didn't help that at the time that I read Deadhouse, there was no version of Memories of Ice in print in the US. Is this still the case?

Erikson lets you get inside the head of very few characters. For the most part, you have to learn them from the outside in. Like Wolfe, there are many clues buried in what is left unrevealed (and I'd say it's even harder to feel much for Wolfe's characters). I much prefer this approach rather than 'beat you over the head with every different character's PoV.' The payoff is more rewarding, I think.

But to each their own.

(Seriously? Not even a glimmer of interest in Whiskeyjack or Quick Ben?)

Midnight Tides was released by Tor in April.

armor piercing nipples.......impressive!


and back on topic..... ......I hereby raise the challenge of a 'Tar Off!

Edge and jay? who can do me better, eh?