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i'll be mowing the lawn today and then anjoying a frosty glass of SHipyard Ale
I've had Shipyard IPA. If I remember correctly, it's the only commercial single-hop IPA which uses Fuggles hops exclusively. This is an odd choice for an aggressive beer style dedicated to showcasing hops, because Fuggles is a very tame, low alpha acid hop variety. But it wasn't a bad IPA.

Yes, I realize this bit of beer trivia is probably only interesting to me. But I'm doing what I can to spread the enthusiasm for this craft.
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Went to the liquor store yesterday (no booze in the regualr stores around here) to pick up a case for the Long Weekend (Canada day); go figure I usually buy Molson Canadain, but I got some Kokanee.

I also like to pick up one bottle from the International Beer section...I got this Scottish one called 'Innes and Gunn' (I know I know, you can rearange the letter and almost make Guinness), my goodness--it was most tasty Beer I've ever tried; it was almot 7% (I've had stronger) but smooth as water--try it.
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Haven't had a taste for beer in a month--having my first in a long time and really getting into it! Stone Brewing Co.'s Ruination IPA (yes they make the famous Arrogant Bastard Ale too... :P ). Turns you into a raisin in seconds! Bitter beer mouth? My man...about 20 distinct tastes and all of them nasty-I am in heaven! :twisted:
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I have just discovered the best pint of Guinness in the world. It will be poured for you, too, at Farren's Bar in Malin Head, County Donegal, Ireland. (The most northerly pub in Ireland, by the way).
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Danlo, is that your first taste of a Stone brew? They are an amazing brewery. Arrogant Bastard is my favorite "session" brew. I love that stuff. Double Bastard is even better, but can't drink too many of those at once!

Ruination was my first example of an Imperial IPA. I was blown away--it had more flavor than any beer I'd ever tried. However, I now think of it as a rather plain IPA. If you like the style, Goose Island Imperial IPA (not their regular IPA) is my current favorite. Great Divide's Hercules is also yummy.

Stone's Russian Imperial Stout is my favorite of that style, and their barley wine, Old Guardian, is my favorite barley wine.

Good to hear someone else trying Stone brews!
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Have you ever had the McEwen's IPA?

Really good stuff.
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McEwan's IPA isn't bad at all, for the style. However, I tend to prefer American IPAs over British IPAs (even though they invented the style). American IPAs have a more aggressive hop character. American hops also have more variety of flavors than traditional British hops.
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WytchWood, any of you UK guys heard of it?

They just started importing it around here...I've had the Hobgoblin and the WhyteWych...both excellent
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I think after *much* trial and error I have settled on one beer.
And the winner is........Amstel Light.

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Amstel Light is good. But a freshly poured Guiness right out of the barrel is better.
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I like amstel aswell, although for a dcecent pint ( with CHEAP being the main factor for a student :P) you cant really beat Tennants.
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When I was a college student I had a taste for Lowenbrau Dark (this was the not the Lowenbrau from Geermany, IIRC it was a licensed product of Budweiser). Then later like after college I liked Killians Red (a speciality product from Coors, I think), Harvey Weinberg's before the brand was bought my Miller was a favorite, too, along with San Miguel Dark (which Trader Joes by my house sold for years). Later on one of my best friends in California got me to appreciate Sierra Nevada's brews. And an old boss when I moved to Illinois got me to try Wicked, which I liked. However, through most of the 90s and beyond my mainstay for ordering in a bar with friends or business collegues was Sam Adams. Now, after going to Dave and Buster's a few times, I've tried Bass Ale on tap there, and what a surprise I was expecting the over hopped taste of a Guiness (and I know folks who love Guiness, BTW its on tap at Dave and Buster's, too), but light and favorful.
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Guiness barely has any hop taste at all (as do most dry stouts). If you're picking up bitterness in Guinness, it's probably astringency and the "burnt" quality of the roasted barley (which, combined with chocolate malt, gives it that opaque black look). It also has a sour quality imparted by mixing the fresh stuff with a small percentage of soured beer.

Guinness was my "gateway beer." I haven't had one in years now. There are so many better stouts. Guinness is the Budweiser of stouts.

If you like that smooth, creamy mouthfeel, try a Young's Oatmeal Stout from the can. It has the same nitrogen insert that creates all the bubbles. Tastes like chocolate.

Left Hand milk stout is another decent one. But I rarely drink stouts anymore. I don't really like the roasted barley flavor. I prefer porters--they are often sweeter and have more floral hop presence. Fuller's London Porter is a classic, as is Anchor's porter. Great Lake's Edmund Fitzgeral Porter is also excellent.
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drew wrote:WytchWood, any of you UK guys heard of it?

They just started importing it around here...I've had the Hobgoblin and the WhyteWych...both excellent
Ah yes, I've had a couple of Wytchwood beers, and there's a Wytchwood pub not far from me. Pretty decent beers, though at present my beer of choice is Reverend James, from the Brains brewery (based in Cardiff). Quite hoppy.

Malik, I'll keep my eyes peeled for those stouts. The only stouts I've tried are Guinness (because it's sold in every pub in the country) and Mackeson, which is fairly horrible (my mum drinks it and I used to try the odd bit as a kid).
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That list--while amusing--is retarded. First of all, it calculates "price per beer" according to package size, but then it uses different size packages for different beers! That's going to throw off your prices.

And it doesn't take into account the most important factor: taste. Going by the beers on this list, the best values (in my opinion) are Sierra Nevada Pale ale and Negra Modela (the "worst" value on the list). Amberbock might be third due to extremely cheap price and orders of magnitude more taste than a pale yellow lagers like Bud.

Oh, and the division between "good beers" and "crappy beers" is laughable. There is only a hair's difference between the adjunct-laden Budweiser and Milwaukee's Best.

But the most alcohol for the money is: homebrew! I can brew a 7% beer for 50 cents per 12 oz bottle. And I can actually taste it.
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CovJr, Mackeson's XXX isn't one of my favorites, either, but I like it much better than Guinness. However, my tastes are extreme. I've tried to pick some tamer ones to recommend above.
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Malik: how hard is home brewing? I have always wanted to try it. how expensive is it?
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sgtnull wrote:Malik: how hard is home brewing? I have always wanted to try it. how expensive is it?
To get started brewing kits, you might have a hundred dollar investment, including ingredients. Maybe less if you already have a 5-6 gallon pot, large funnel, metal strainer, 5 gallon food grade bucket, etc. But if you drink a lot of beer (that's all I drink--don't like liquor or wine) it will quickly pay for itself. Especially if you're drinking expensive beer, which is the only kind I drink. Actually, that's the reason I got into it: my tastes outgrew my wallet.

Now I do it for the sheer joy of making a delicious beverage that just so happens to be mind altering. :) But seriously, I'm grateful to take part in this 10,000-year-old tradition. Beer used to be a product that every household brewed for themselves, usually by the woman of the house. It was a staple, since sanitary water was rare. But its importance goes well beyond a safe drink. Some historians believe that this is the reason why human beings settled down to an agricultural lifestyle--to have enough barley to brew beer. And if civilization was a result of agriculture . . . wow. It's all beer's fault. :D

Beer is best drank fresh. There is absolutely nothing fresher than homebrew. I can't describe how much better it is than your typical canned product. The difference is comparable to the difference between heating up frozen food in the microwave, and making it from scratch. Unbelievably delicious. It's all I can do to not have a couple every night, considering that I've got over 100 bottles sitting in my basement.

Really, it's a wonderful hobby. If you like to cook, and you love beer, you'd like this. Spending a Saturday afternoon making enough brew for a month (2 cases/30 days = 1.6 per day) is a productive way to relax. But I'd first recommend trying as many different craft beers you can, just to open your mind up to the possibilities, and to develop your palate so that you'll know what you want to brew. 99% of the population just has no idea what the current explosion of craft brewers are accomplishing. It's difficult to pay $13 or more for a six pack of something you're not sure you'll like, when the mass produced stuff goes for less than half that. I recommend finding a store that let's you buy singles, and spend at least six months experimenting before home brewing. However, if you already have a good idea what you'd like to make, then gather your supplies, order a kit online, and in 3 weeks you can be drinking your first homebrew.

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