Kevin's Watch

lorin wrote:

Menolly wrote:
*I admit I do tend to lose track of details sometimes, so help me out here*

you ain't the only one......................i dunno anymore................

no wait......at the end Spock prime says to Spock youngster that he is needed because of the aniliation of his race or something like that.............................................i need a drink

"Spock prime" as you call him (I like that! ) also said something about a suitable planet (?) having been found to re-establish a Vulcan colony.

I have now seen this film a second time...and I have to say that to me, the first ten minutes of the film are the best and draw me in to the rest of it. There are enough poignant moments (like when Kirk wonders if he knew his father in the other timeline) and great acting that I can forgive some of the wackier plot points.

matrixman wrote:

lorin wrote:

Menolly wrote:
*I admit I do tend to lose track of details sometimes, so help me out here*

you ain't the only one......................i dunno anymore................

no wait......at the end Spock prime says to Spock youngster that he is needed because of the aniliation of his race or something like that.............................................i need a drink

"Spock prime" as you call him (I like that! ) also said something about a suitable planet (?) having been found to re-establish a Vulcan colony.

I wish I could take credit but that is what imdb terms Leonard Nimoy. I should be so clever....................

rdhopeca wrote:I have now seen this film a second time...and I have to say that to me, the first ten minutes of the film are the best and draw me in to the rest of it.

Yes, it's a terrific opening act. Don't know about the rest of you, but daddy Kirk's self-sacrifice moved me to tears. I don't care if such an action scene is a cinematic cliche, because it works.

matrixman wrote:

rdhopeca wrote:I have now seen this film a second time...and I have to say that to me, the first ten minutes of the film are the best and draw me in to the rest of it.

Yes, it's a terrific opening act. Don't know about the rest of you, but daddy Kirk's self-sacrifice moved me to tears. I don't care if such an action scene is a cinematic cliche, because it works.

Did the same thing to me the first time...I was a little better equipped to handle it the second time

matrixman wrote:

rdhopeca wrote:I have now seen this film a second time...and I have to say that to me, the first ten minutes of the film are the best and draw me in to the rest of it.

Yes, it's a terrific opening act. Don't know about the rest of you, but daddy Kirk's self-sacrifice moved me to tears. I don't care if such an action scene is a cinematic cliche, because it works.

Okay damn it. Me too.

lorin wrote:

matrixman wrote:

lorin wrote: you ain't the only one......................i dunno anymore................

no wait......at the end Spock prime says to Spock youngster that he is needed because of the aniliation of his race or something like that.............................................i need a drink

"Spock prime" as you call him (I like that! ) also said something about a suitable planet (?) having been found to re-establish a Vulcan colony.

I wish I could take credit but that is what imdb terms Leonard Nimoy. I should be so clever....................

I'm a credits watcher, always hoping for an extra scene tacked on after.
Nimoy is called Spock Prime in the credits as well...

dlbpharmd wrote:I've been thinking about this film quite a bit for the past few days, and I've come to the conclusion that my problem is that I'm spoiled by Battlestar Galactica. That series was dark, brooding, full of great writing and storytelling, with great characters and events of consequence.

So, when I realized that, is it any wonder that I don't like a "funny" Star Trek?

Good post. I consider Battlestar Galactica the best new sci-fi series of the modern era. It's affected how I view Doctor Who, and certainly shows modern Trek where it fails.

Menolly wrote:wait...
...now y'all lost me
wasn't the destruction of Romulus still actually in the future?
and it is the Romulan Empire.
even if Romulus is gone, there would still be colonies of the Empire elsewhere, right?

*I admit I do tend to lose track of details sometimes, so help me out here*

Thats the problem with 'time travel' as a plot device. It creates paradoxes.
This one is no different. So now that 'spock prime' has come back in time and now that earlier Spock knows that the Romulans will be destroyed because of his future error. Wont he alter his future behavior or at the very least warn the Romulans? But if he does, will that then kick them back into the original timeline and this one cease to exist OR could it create a third timeline?

dANdeLION wrote:Well, you appear to know more about fictitious alien mining ships than I do.

Thank you.

Yeah, I may be projecting logic that doesn't exist. Still, if I were writing a space mining vessel for an aggressive race, it would be able to defend itself as well as extract minerals from rock.

SoulBiter wrote:

Menolly wrote:wait...
...now y'all lost me
wasn't the destruction of Romulus still actually in the future?
and it is the Romulan Empire.
even if Romulus is gone, there would still be colonies of the Empire elsewhere, right?

*I admit I do tend to lose track of details sometimes, so help me out here*

Thats the problem with 'time travel' as a plot device. It creates paradoxes.
This one is no different. So now that 'spock prime' has come back in time and now that earlier Spock knows that the Romulans will be destroyed because of his future error. Wont he alter his future behavior or at the very least warn the Romulans? But if he does, will that then kick them back into the original timeline and this one cease to exist OR could it create a third timeline?

Star Trek has never concerned itself with the doppelganging alternate timelines it creates every time it births a paradox. The Spocks will do their best to save Romulus of the future. How could they do otherwise? That is the Trek philosophy. Follow the Prime Directive, but ignore the integrity of Time.

The very last episode/movie of Star Trek would rightly involve the implosion of the Federation under the weight of all that time meddling. This will be the perfect opportunity to re-reboot the franchise when Chris Pine finds himself working for Priceline.

ItisWritten wrote: The very last episode/movie of Star Trek would rightly involve the implosion of the Federation under the weight of all that time meddling. This will be the perfect opportunity to re-reboot the franchise when Chris Pine finds himself working for Priceline.

The alternate timeline hopefully means Pine's last appearance as Kirk won't involve dying under a bridge somewhere.

Menolly wrote:I'm a credits watcher, always hoping for an extra scene tacked on after.
Nimoy is called Spock Prime in the credits as well...

You were clearly paying more attention than me. I saw the film twice, and I still missed that.

dlbpharmd wrote:I've been thinking about this film quite a bit for the past few days, and I've come to the conclusion that my problem is that I'm spoiled by Battlestar Galactica. That series was dark, brooding, full of great writing and storytelling, with great characters and events of consequence.

That's it exactly. Curse you, RDM!

I haven't watched any TV since BSG ended, so I hadn't seen any previews for ST or read any reviews. I think I did walk in assuming (never a good idea, that!), that it would be more up-to-date, for lack of a better term. I might have enjoyed it more if I'd known what to expect, but the same things would have bothered me anyway.

ItisWritten wrote:

dANdeLION wrote:Well, you appear to know more about fictitious alien mining ships than I do.

Thank you.

Yeah, I may be projecting logic that doesn't exist. Still, if I were writing a space mining vessel for an aggressive race, it would be able to defend itself as well as extract minerals from rock.

Aggressive races don't concern themselves with defense; just like normal miners don't concern themselves with ways to shut down communications and transporters planet-wide. They were also supposedly part of the Federation at the time Romulus died; who exactly were they 'defending' themselves from?

dANdeLION wrote:

ItisWritten wrote:

dANdeLION wrote:Well, you appear to know more about fictitious alien mining ships than I do.

Thank you.

Yeah, I may be projecting logic that doesn't exist. Still, if I were writing a space mining vessel for an aggressive race, it would be able to defend itself as well as extract minerals from rock.

Aggressive races don't concern themselves with defense; just like normal miners don't concern themselves with ways to shut down communications and transporters planet-wide. They were also supposedly part of the Federation at the time Romulus died; who exactly were they 'defending' themselves from?

I believe the "communications and transporters" interference was a side effect of the drill, not any weaponry or jamming technology.

Yeah, a drill disrupted the entire planet. Right. I should have realized that when my cell loses signal it's because someone is drilling for oil somewhere.

dANdeLION wrote:

ItisWritten wrote:

dANdeLION wrote:Well, you appear to know more about fictitious alien mining ships than I do.

Thank you.

Yeah, I may be projecting logic that doesn't exist. Still, if I were writing a space mining vessel for an aggressive race, it would be able to defend itself as well as extract minerals from rock.

Aggressive races don't concern themselves with defense; just like normal miners don't concern themselves with ways to shut down communications and transporters planet-wide. They were also supposedly part of the Federation at the time Romulus died; who exactly were they 'defending' themselves from?

You're right. Romulans don't defend. But that would be the diplomatic line if the subject of weapons aboard a mining ship ever came into question. And that "minimal" weaponry would suddenly be a powerful arsenal 130 (IIRC) years earlier.

I don't recall (but then I'm not up on ST canon) that the Romulans ever joined the Federation. There were overtures and treaties, of course, and even promising incidents. But the Romulan Empire was still the Romulan Empire. Prime Spock made a promise to save Romulus, but that's in keeping with his interest in their common genetics.

As for the communication-dampening drill, seems to me that would be a handy effect when poaching existing claims or raiding other species resources. But that begs the question, why would the effect be limited to use of the drill?

*Waiting to win a Romulan drill on ebay so I can disrupt IW's need/obsession/desire to form an answer/rebuttal/comment for every post I make.......*

dANdeLION wrote:*Waiting to win a Romulan drill on ebay so I can disrupt IW's need/obsession/desire to form an answer/rebuttal/comment for every post I make.......*

That's a gauntlet I won't be picking up. 18300 is quite a few to rebut.

I don't have to have the last word, but arguing ideas in the ST universe could lead to a long line of rebut/rebut/repeat. Just sayin'.

Finally saw this with some relatives, all of whom recall the ST TOS days, but not the 10 or so movies like I have. Anyway, I loved it for the humor, action and the stars performance...and the first 10-15 min of that beautiful beginning with Kirk's parents; outstanding. My kin folk loved it, too and couldn't stop talking about it. They are not the trekkie types, either; they are more the artsey fartsy folks, so to me that says alot for a SF movie being able to cross over and get new fans.