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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:05 am
by Xar
Astavyastataa Kadna wrote:Vadhaka wrote:The soldier sees a difference between himself and the assassin. But there is none.
Whether the cause is Just or Ill - both spread DESTRUCTION and CHAOS.
Odal
As you do, Destructor? I am surprised you didn't choke when offering your allegiance to Law and Justice - and that is what you offered, isn't it?
Tell me, Destructor - how do you plan on being taken seriously by the Pantheon? With all your boasts and threats, and the truth about your actions - your slithering to the gods of Law, offering them help against one who only feeds Chaos - how can anyone believe your lies about your status as a higher power?
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:18 am
by Xar
Hedra Iren
Lord Adomorn, I understand your reluctance, but Law cannot promote preemptive strikes; if it did, it would be no different than Tyranny.
However, I understand your doubts and fears; Nor Yekith would wage no conventional war, and it would be hard to defend against a rain of mutagens. As such, I offer all the gods a possibility:
The Book of Law is open, and the Fiery Quill is in my hand. Nor Yekith has been found in violation of Law, although he seeks to repair. I intend to ask a last binding Oath from Nor Yekith: that he shall not attack, mutate or corrupt any lands that do not belong to him, any gods or any mortals who do not worship him, directly or indirectly, unless he is attacked first or unless the Pantheon as a whole agrees to concede lands or mortals to him, or unless the Pantheon concedes that another god is at fault with Nor Yekith and must make reparations.
God of Mutation, surely you see that this Oath would go a long way towards peace, which, you claim, is your only goal. And it would ensure the survival of your people, something which would not otherwise be sure. The Oath itself does not limit your power on your followers or on your lands, nor does it prevent you from gaining new lands if the Pantheon agrees, or from defending yourself against attacks.
In fact, I will go further and offer an incentive: should you agree to this Oath, you will have my support if you are attacked, and I will speak with the other gods about ensuring none of our followers enters your lands, as you requested.
HOWEVER, assurances will be needed that you will keep your word; you have a history of twisting words to your liking, I am afraid. So I call upon the gods: should Nor Yekith accept this oath, would you offer me your power so that it may be written in the Book of Law? Should he break it afterwards, his power will be voided, and his attacks be as leaves in the wind.
Should Nor Yekith not accept this Oath... well, then, though I realize there is nothing in the Oaths he has already sworn that would prevent him from attacking in another way, here is my own Oath:
Should Nor Yekith's power extend beyond the boundaries of Nor Pupae and Yekithii, and harm any other god, mortal or land without permission, the power of Law will shatter the Star of Yekith and lay waste to his land of horrors. Make no mistake, Nor Yekith: this is no idle threat, and it is NOT a threat which will take effect after your attack. My eyes will be watching you, and as soon as they detect a sign of treachery, my power - and that of any god who wishes to join me - will NOT waste time in destroying your armies, your lands, and bring back everything to the rule of nature and Law. You will be left powerless, a tiny worm squirming in the dirt.
Think on it, Lord of Yekiths.
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:32 am
by Injerian Praetus II
Xar wrote:Think on it, Lord of Yekiths.
And I did. Where were you when Argothoth completed his ritual of summoning? Why is it that when my ally reanimates the dead of this world no one so much as cares, yet I am facing an invasion?
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:39 am
by Xar
Nor Yekith wrote:Xar wrote:Think on it, Lord of Yekiths.
And I did. Where were you when Argothoth completed his ritual of summoning? Why is it that when my ally reanimates the dead of this world no one so much as cares, yet I am facing an invasion?
Hedra Iren
Though I cannot speak for the Lord of Justice, I do not believe you will face an invasion - IF you comply with the Oath I suggested. But if you do not, if you harm our followers or our lands or ourselves - we will defend ourselves, Lord of Yekiths, and you would do well not to underestimate it.
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:41 am
by Injerian Praetus II
Xar wrote:Though I cannot speak for the Lord of Justice, I do not believe you will face an invasion - IF you comply with the Oath I suggested. But if you do not, if you harm our followers or our lands or ourselves - we will defend ourselves, Lord of Yekiths, and you would do well not to underestimate it.
I have never wished harm upon others. It simply not in my nature to destroy. All my actions have been to the good of the world - yes, even when Bhakti's followers were tortured, it was to illustrate a valuable philosophical point.
I am deeply
offended that the peoples of this world would think of me a tyrant.
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:43 am
by Norn
I seem to believe that I was very upset with Argothoth, and I am still awaiting a response to the questions I asked him publicly. However, I must say that I am not entirely displeased to be left out of this whole situation - war is not something I have ever desired and I welcome the chance to avoid it, for my own followers if for no one else.
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:44 am
by Injerian Praetus II
I, too, do not desire war. I hope that the deities of this world can work out a peaceful solution.
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:47 am
by Norn
I believe they will wait for your reply to Hedra Iren's offer before making their decisions.
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:48 am
by Injerian Praetus II
Norn wrote:I believe they will wait for your reply to Hedra Iren's offer before making their decisions.
I will only sign if the entire pantheon agrees to limit their powers within their own borders.
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:50 am
by Xar
Nor Yekith wrote:Xar wrote:Though I cannot speak for the Lord of Justice, I do not believe you will face an invasion - IF you comply with the Oath I suggested. But if you do not, if you harm our followers or our lands or ourselves - we will defend ourselves, Lord of Yekiths, and you would do well not to underestimate it.
I have never wished harm upon others. It simply not in my nature to destroy. All my actions have been to the good of the world - yes, even when Bhakti's followers were tortured, it was to illustrate a valuable philosophical point.
I am deeply
offended that the peoples of this world would think of me a tyrant.
Hedra Iren
Nevertheless, Lord of Yekiths, your goal
is to pervert natural order. You call it improving, we call it corrupting - either way, to force other lands, other mortals or other gods to endure this process is not within your rights.
As for Argothoth, sister Norn - while his actions have surely harmed mortals (or their souls), he was not alone in performing this action; he obtained the backing of many gods, for his power alone could not have succeeded in such a task. As such, if you invoke the Law, I will pass judgment - but such judgment will fall on ALL gods who helped Argothoth in that endeavour, not just him. ALL were responsible for the raising of the dead. He may have lied to them - and that will be taken into account - but ultimately, all who partecipated in the foul act are to be judged, if you invoke the Law.
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:52 am
by Norn
Which they will not do, and with good reason. Your powers are an anathema to many of our fellow deities, yet their powers are generally welcomed by their fellows (in due measure of course), except possibly by you alone.
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:53 am
by Injerian Praetus II
Xar wrote:Nevertheless, Lord of Yekiths, your goal is to pervert natural order. You call it improving, we call it corrupting - either way, to force other lands, other mortals or other gods to endure this process is not within your rights.
I alone have the goal to pervert natural order? I will not deny I seek to alter natural order, but who among us can truly deny they are the same? Every god here has used their powers to alter the world or its peoples in some way, whether it be granting greater abilities to their followers or healing the sick. If we were all to agree to not affect nature then we would exist as mere symbols.
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:54 am
by Norn
Hedra Iren wrote:As for Argothoth, sister Norn - while his actions have surely harmed mortals (or their souls), he was not alone in performing this action; he obtained the backing of many gods, for his power alone could not have succeeded in such a task. As such, if you invoke the Law, I will pass judgment - but such judgment will fall on ALL gods who helped Argothoth in that endeavour, not just him. ALL were responsible for the raising of the dead. He may have lied to them - and that will be taken into account - but ultimately, all who partecipated in the foul act are to be judged, if you invoke the Law.
I will think on this and return to you with answer. Argothoth's allies in this foul deed include some whom I love very much and I would not wish harm upon them.
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:54 am
by Injerian Praetus II
Norn wrote:Which they will not do, and with good reason. Your powers are an anathema to many of our fellow deities, yet their powers are generally welcomed by their fellows (in due measure of course), except possibly by you alone.
Untrue. I regularly am affected by Melirelle with her ability to speed up birthing from the wombpits, and the god of agriculture assisted me many a time.
Nevertheless, you are making a value judgement.
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:55 am
by Injerian Praetus II
Norn wrote:I will think on this and return to you with answer. Argothoth's allies in this foul deed include some whom I love very much and I would not wish harm upon them.
Oh, you 'poor' woman.
How it must
pain you so.
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:00 am
by Norn
Many things pain me Nor Yekith, yet I have endured great pain before. Besides, part of being a deity is making difficult decisions, as I am sure you know.
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:04 am
by Vadhaka
I observe with interest.
I applaud your efforts my sister, but I fear that it is too little too late. And I notice that the oath binds none of his allies either...
His provocation (not to mention his equivocation) might have been too grievious to turn aside from, simply on his words. The torture of Bhakti's followers to prove a philosophical point? Or to anger Bhakti into becoming the aggressor?
It seems to me, from a largely disinterested point of view, that the object of Nor's actions has always been to make himself appear the injured party.
I do not trust his righteous victimhood. And this offer gives him the opportunity to have achieved his growth in power, to have committed effective, if not technical, wrongs upon Erian, and to remain free of the consequences. The natural consequences I might add.
This is a matter that deserves much thought. I await further developments before I commit myself one way or another, I think. These are merely my initial thoughts on the matter.
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:09 am
by Norn
Nor Yekith wrote:Norn wrote:Which they will not do, and with good reason. Your powers are an anathema to many of our fellow deities, yet their powers are generally welcomed by their fellows (in due measure of course), except possibly by you alone.
Untrue. I regularly am affected by Melirelle with her ability to speed up birthing from the wombpits, and the god of agriculture assisted me many a time.
Nevertheless, you are making a value judgement.
What is untrue? That the majority of the Pantheon does not wish to have their followers subjected to your mutation? Or that you do not welcome the power of others in your lands? If it was the second choice then I concede your point - I only said that it were
possible that you would not welcome the power of others, not that you definately did not.
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:10 am
by Argothoth
Syster Norn,
please help me to remind which was the question i didn't answer to you...
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:13 am
by Norn
Norn wrote:I am furious! What right does Argothoth have to the abject and choiceless worship of all Eiran's dead? What right did he have to the bodies of my long dead friends, or to the bodies of my slain prophets?
I understand the desire for power, but such disregard for others is unacceptable and will not be tolerated.
As for your loyalty to Argothoth, I am not surprised. You are certainly free to do as you wish.
A final word - I understand that many of my fellow deities delight in foolishness, but the constant childish barbs being traded demeans us all.