Kevin's Watch

Nor Yekith wrote:Bhakti and Jove, if I swear this oath will you likewise swear to not do likewise to my lands, peoples and creations. Here I sit, willing to swear your oath.

In how many different ways is this mind-bogglingly stupid? Adomorn is quite right; a bit one-sided.

And entirely unnecessary! Except for those of your peoples and creations that have been in my lands, affecting my peoples, I have never acted against your lands, peoples, or creations. It is not my way. And now, to get me to continue acting in the way I act, you offer to not murder or mutate my son? All the while knowing you intend to force your will onto all of Eiran (something you have said at least the three times I have quoted), including my lands, peoples, and creations? If you had not said you would murder Zephyr in the first place, you would not be looking for any assurances from me at all.

And another condition you have for not committing evil on my son is that Adomorn must also take the Oath to not attack you? (You are quite right to not allow Yek to try to put these two issues on the same table, Adomorn. Well done.)

Perhaps you will take the Oath I have asked for if every deity swears to never act against you in any way, no matter what provocation you give them? Oh! Better yet! Each deity must also give you at least 2 DRP's every turn!

You said you will murder my son. You retracted that without an Oath to the Allfather, which, where you are concerned, means no retraction at all. Then you say you have "such wonderful things planned" for him. Take the Oath I suggested, or I will assume you will harm my son.

On the Oath of the Allfather, I will never use Power on your Son in a way that you do not ask of me, nor lend Power to another if I suspect they will use it on your Son in a way that you do not ask of them.

This is the only oath I will accept, Nor.

Plans laid bare ... the God of Malice withdraws. Is he gone? Or is this another ploy?

If indeed the effects of Malice are not erased by Nor's withdrawal from Eiran ... AND remember cousins; he still has lackies left behind. Then I propose we CONTINUE ALL PLANNED ACTION this turn. The Star of Yekith MUST fall ... and the effects of malice MUST be eradicated ... before we can safely turn to attacking each other!! [Or living peacefully ]

Am I correct AllFather, that Malice's domains are not automatically vacated ... his other allies can take them up? They can continue his planned attack? And if he returns and catches us unawares ... as we turn on each other ....

What say you cousins - does the WAR proceed AS PLANNED? Or do we turn on each other in the shadow of MALICE?? And in the echoes of his attack!? And leave ourselves EXPOSED!!

I SAY - LET THE GLORIOUS BATTLE CONTINUE!!! CRY HAVOC!!! AND LET SLIP THE DOGS OF WAR!!!!!

:::shuddering:::

And stregnthen yourself in the process, cousin?

O-gon-cho wrote::::shuddering:::

And stregnthen yourself in the process, cousin?

Perhaps ... but better that than let the remnants of MALICE overtake us ... or MALICE itself renewed - while we scurry in disarray!! Time enough for those who fear my power to attempt to keep me contained after MALICE is REMOVED.

Astavyastataa Kadna wrote:

O-gon-cho wrote::::shuddering:::

And stregnthen yourself in the process, cousin?

Perhaps ... but better that than let the remnants of MALICE overtake us ... or MALICE itself renewed - while we scurry in disarray!! Time enough for those who fear my power to attempt to keep me contained after MALICE is REMOVED.

A suggestion to those who were (are?) going to attack Nor Pupae.

Bring lots of warm clothing. It won't be any fun at all getting past my ice.

Undine

Undine wrote:A suggestion to those who were (are?) going to attack Nor Pupae.

Bring lots of warm clothing. It won't be any fun at all getting past my ice.

It is holding then, m'l-rd? And the dampened sunlight is not causing the ice to melt? I am satisfied.

As Argothoth's role is now known to all, something else may be revealed...

As most of us know, a child may be born into the world that is a particular deity's "child of destiny." This child is fated to become that deity's greatest ally, or greatest enemy. One such child was born to me some seasons ago on Kortral. I used a DRP to search for him. Unfortunately, the group of followers doing the search was slaughtered. By unknown assailants. I had intended to continue searching for both the child and the assailants, but things have put those searches off.

However, Melirelle told Argothoth that she has my child of destiny, and she was asking him to use his domain of Time to speed up the child's growth as she corrupted it, so that it would be my greatest enemy very soon.

Bhakti wrote:As Argothoth's role is now known to all, something else may be revealed...

As most of us know, a child may be born into the world that is a particular deity's "child of destiny." This child is fated to become that deity's greatest ally, or greatest enemy. One such child was born to me some seasons ago on Kortral. I used a DRP to search for him. Unfortunately, the group of followers doing the search was slaughtered. By unknown assailants. I had intended to continue searching for both the child and the assailants, but things have put those searches off.

However, Melirelle told Argothoth that she has my child of destiny, and she was asking him to use his domain of Time to speed up the child's growth as she corrupted it, so that it would be my greatest enemy very soon.

I must think on this ... what manner of child could effect one who has seen countless cycles of the universe.

Bhakti wrote:As Argothoth's role is now known to all, something else may be revealed...

As most of us know, a child may be born into the world that is a particular deity's "child of destiny." This child is fated to become that deity's greatest ally, or greatest enemy. One such child was born to me some seasons ago on Kortral. I used a DRP to search for him. Unfortunately, the group of followers doing the search was slaughtered. By unknown assailants. I had intended to continue searching for both the child and the assailants, but things have put those searches off.

However, Melirelle told Argothoth that she has my child of destiny, and she was asking him to use his domain of Time to speed up the child's growth as she corrupted it, so that it would be my greatest enemy very soon.

Praising the AllFather I have not had to deal with such. I only want Calypso Solus and the unhatched egg back.

Brother Bhakti, have you heard anything else regarding this, as I assume you witheld this information for awhile?

Interesting times indeed brothers, interesting times indeed.

I have learned that even though the Master of Malice is beyond the veil , Mutation is still with us ... the STAR still guards the foul dens of Nor Pupae ... and Nor's lackeys still plot our downfall. In this the AllFather will NOT intervene!

The time for secrecy is over ... as all OUR plans are laid bare. But do not believe for a second that Melirelle does not have evil plans of her own ... contingencies that will cause problems. And other remnants of Malice's empire still fester!

I say ATTACK - DESTROY the effects of Malice and Mutation ... or we will find ourselves attacked!

What say you Goddess of Law!? Not only our plans ... but the reality of Nor's plans for attack have been laid bare as well!! Do you still find that we lack cause to go to war?! To wipe the remnants of risk off the face of Eiran!?

It is a certainty that Malice and Mutation are still a grave danger to Eiran. I would not count on the Goddess of Law's support, however.

Bhakti wrote:As Argothoth's role is now known to all, something else may be revealed...

As most of us know, a child may be born into the world that is a particular deity's "child of destiny." This child is fated to become that deity's greatest ally, or greatest enemy. One such child was born to me some seasons ago on Kortral. I used a DRP to search for him. Unfortunately, the group of followers doing the search was slaughtered. By unknown assailants. I had intended to continue searching for both the child and the assailants, but things have put those searches off.

However, Melirelle told Argothoth that she has my child of destiny, and she was asking him to use his domain of Time to speed up the child's growth as she corrupted it, so that it would be my greatest enemy very soon.

Melirelle

It does not surprise me that the God of Undeath would drag me in his confrontation with Nor Yekith; more so that he feels he knows the truth about this or other matters. I have never harmed your followers, if that is what you imply by speaking of your slaughtered worshippers. And as for your child of destiny, it is indeed true that I "have" him, but only insofar as he is the son of two followers of mine. And yes, it is the case that followers of mine also inhabit other lands - wherever there are living beings, there the goddess of Birth is called upon and worshiped. As for the rest... believe what you will - whether it is my word, or the word of the God of Undeath. But as for you, God of Love, you have certainly chosen a poor way of solving the issue, if that is indeed what you wish: it would have been better served by contacting me in private, rather than crying it to the whole world. Or is your outrage a warning for me that, even with Nor Yekith gone, the eyes of the gods of Eiran will simply fix on the "next best thing" and move war on me?

Argothoth was a great ally of my father, and he has been a great ally of mine. Not only in helping me when I needed it, but in advising me on how best to avoid the destruction your creator has often promised me. My trust in him has always been absolute. He says you intend to use him against me.

But if he is lying, if you are not planning to use him against me, I thought it would be good for you to know that he is spreading lies about you.

Of course, knowing how important such a child is to a deity, and knowing where he was and is, your silence on the matter speaks volumes. Of course, you will neither confirm nor deny this, eh? Always speaking half-truths. You have learned well from your creator.

As for the slaughter of my group of followers, I have accused nobody of anything. I merely state that the group of followers looking for this child was slaughtered, and I do not know by whom.

Bhakti wrote: Of course, knowing how important such a child is to a deity, and knowing where he was and is, your silence on the matter speaks volumes. Of course, you will neither confirm nor deny this, eh? Always speaking half-truths. You have learned well from your creator.

Brother, what are you doing?

I understand your suspicion, if what Argothoth has told you is true. But this comes across to me as you wanting to pursue your arguments of old with Nor Yekith!! Where is the Love??? Where is the desire to be left in peace you always talked about? Melirelle has a point about perhaps initially approaching her privately. This strikes me almost as a maliscious intent to encourage acts of aggression against her! This is not the Bhakti I know!

O-gon-cho wrote:

Bhakti wrote: Of course, knowing how important such a child is to a deity, and knowing where he was and is, your silence on the matter speaks volumes. Of course, you will neither confirm nor deny this, eh? Always speaking half-truths. You have learned well from your creator.

Brother, what are you doing?

I understand your suspicion, if what Argothoth has told you is true. But this comes across to me as you wanting to pursue your arguments of old with Nor Yekith!! Where is the Love??? Where is the desire to be left in peace you always talked about? Melirelle has a point about perhaps initially approaching her privately. This strikes me almost as a maliscious intent to encourage acts of aggression against her! This is not the Bhakti I know!

Melirelle

Let it be, Goddess of Light... it seems that old grudges are hard to die. The God of Love conveniently forgets who helped in the birth of his second child - he forgets that it was his meddling that put the child's life in danger, and it was my efforts that managed to save her. And after all, if words were enough to wage war on Nor Yekith, why shouldn't alleged accusations be enough to wage war on me? The God of Love speaks honeyed words when asking for his "foes" to show they are trustworthy, but respect is a sword that cuts both ways, and he has lost mine with these accusations.

God of Love, I won't forget this, or the fact that when I asked for your help recently, in an endeavour which would have benefited you as well, you refused your help. And if you ever hoped to persuade me to give your child of destiny over to you, you choose a poor strategy, for now I am more persuaded than ever that I should keep him away from you, lest he learn the ways of this "love" you profess towards your foes.

Let me explain, O-gon-cho...

Another deity has a child of destiny that was born to my followers. My domains did not make me aware of this. But when this deity asked me for permission to search my lands, and asked what could be done, we came to an agreement. No difficulties at all. My people, naturally, did not want to give up the child, nor did they wish to leave their families and my lands. So the deity sent some followers who are helping my people raise the child. They know that they will not be pressured into raising the child in any particular way, but that those followers will be a presence in the child's life. And the deity knows that if his/her followers report the child is being raised in ways that will likely make the child the deity's enemy, I will go to lengths to prevent it.

Had I known where my child was, I would have asked Melirelle for a similar thing. The truth is, it had not occurred to me that she is aware of the nature of every important birth. (Nor was I aware that she had followers on Kortral, but, as she said, many deities have followers nearly everywhere.) As it was, I asked Mithyaat Vam for permission to search Kortral, since she is the only deity primarily based there.

Also, when my domain revealed to me that a mermaid had fallen in Love with Undine, I immediately informed him that I knew of it, and asked if I could do anything for him.


Now, let us consider how Melirelle acts in a comparable situation. She knows her followers have given birth to my child of destiny. She could have at least told me that she knew of the existence of this child of such importance to me. She could have told me that she knows where it is, so I need not spend DRP's looking. She could have offered to work with me to come up with a way that would let me help raise the child so it would not become my enemy.

But she did none of that. Not the slightest courtesy. This, after humbling me, and after I proclaimed to all that I would not consider her my enemy any longer.

Yes, O-gon-cho, I am angry. Love does not mean letting others act against me without even a word being said. And, unless Argothoth is lying (which I do not believe, both for my and my father's relationships with him, and for the things I know of Melirelle's handling of this situation), she is most certainly acting against me.

Melirelle wrote:And if you ever hoped to persuade me to give your child of destiny over to you, you choose a poor strategy, for now I am more persuaded than ever that I should keep him away from you, lest he learn the ways of this "love" you profess towards your foes.

As though you were even considering allowing me even a peak at the child.

And now you know why I would not help you in your recent request. I already knew what you were trying to do with my child of destiny. What on earth would possess me to give you DRP's??

O-gon-cho wrote:
:::eyes alight:::

Do you mean her domain of Healing cousin? Would it truly work [to redeem southern Immeril]? Would it be enough?

I believe it to be so ... but I am not the Master of Healing; ask Maeror.