Kevin's Watch

He's right, it's not very satisfying, and certainly doesn't fit with the explanation that I've had in my mind for more than 20 years.

Thank you Seareach and Romeo!
That was exactly what I was thinking about.

dlbpharmd wrote:He's right, it's not very satisfying, and certainly doesn't fit with the explanation that I've had in my mind for more than 20 years.

That's exactly what I thought!!
It had such a **DEEPER** meaning of ownership and "passing of the torch" if the ring changed hands during the translation back to reality.
In the past everything goes back the way it was.
So this was a huge change from that....or so I thought.

So...basically, not only is Linden a whiner, a complainer, indecisive, annoying, complaining, smells bad, a terrible mother, a failure of a human being, but...

...she's also a dirty, rotten, no-good thief.

Heh.

But yeah, I agree that the "new" explanation is kind of a let down. I think when I remember reading the ending to WGW, I thought the whole ring thing was a nice, sort of mysterious and magical, way of ending the series. But if Linden just stole it from Covenant...heh.-jay

No one has anwered poor illender's question:

I don't think that the Covenant we see riding to Revelstone is a TC from the Past.

SRD hinted at the fact that though the ceasures encompass all moments of time, they can't do much from before the law of death was broken..and the law of death was only broken a few days before TC bought it.

So I'd say LInden has the only Ring.

Also SRD has said that he plans to keep the time traveling paradoxes to a minimum..in other words, they will not travel to a time where both rings would be present..or even two TC's or two Linden's or Two Anele's or anything like that.

dlbpharmd wrote:

High Lord Tolkien wrote:

Romeo wrote:There's no mention of her taking it off of Covenant's hand in the "real" world - and Berenford was there, so he would have noticed. I don't think she went near Covenant's body at all after she got back. So her already having the ring in her hand is a *major* thing - we just don't know what it means yet.

I've actually been rereading the GI trying to find it again.
No luck so far though.
But I swear SRD said that he didn't write it because he thought it would be obvious that Linden went over and got the ring from TC.

I'll keep looking though.

I've looked and I can't find it. I do remember someone asking at some point how Linden got the ring, and I thought his response was "RAFO."

HA! Found it, but for some strange reason, the search function of the GI doesn't identify this. Wayfriend quoted it in one of the threads that Herem posted in in the DTL forum.

Are you going to explain how Linden got Covenant's ring? I never quite caught how she ended up with it.
-Alis

Alas, I can only tell you: wait and see.
(03/25/2004)

SO - if Linden was in some kind of "stupefied state," and physically removed the ring from Covenant's hand, why does SRD say "wait and see"?

dlbpharmd wrote:He's right, it's not very satisfying, and certainly doesn't fit with the explanation that I've had in my mind for more than 20 years.

Actually, since I'm one of those people who don't think the Land is literally real, I very much like this explanation. He's being consistant with the, "Is the Land real or unreal?" ambiguity. Linden having the ring without walking over and getting it would violate that ambiguity.

drew wrote: SRD hinted at the fact that though the ceasures encompass all moments of time, they can't do much from before the law of death was broken..and the law of death was only broken a few days before TC bought it.

The Law of Death was broken during the Illearth War by Elena. The Law of Life is what you are thinking of - that was broken a few days before TC "died".

Malik23 wrote:

dlbpharmd wrote:He's right, it's not very satisfying, and certainly doesn't fit with the explanation that I've had in my mind for more than 20 years.

Actually, since I'm one of those people who don't think the Land is literally real, I very much like this explanation. He's being consistant with the, "Is the Land real or unreal?" ambiguity. Linden having the ring without walking over and getting it would violate that ambiguity.

To me, the ambiguity went out the door in TWL.

I just all along assumed it was real. The whole real/unreal dichotomy largely passed me by, except in the sense that TC experiences it, so as readers we're forced to see the possibility.

--A

Akasri wrote:

drew wrote: SRD hinted at the fact that though the ceasures encompass all moments of time, they can't do much from before the law of death was broken..and the law of death was only broken a few days before TC bought it.

The Law of Death was broken during the Illearth War by Elena. The Law of Life is what you are thinking of - that was broken a few days before TC "died".

What Akasri said... The Law of Life was described as the barrier that prevented the Dead from being just spectators, but they still apparently had to be invoked (or dismissed) by someone of power.

I wonder if this is TC from the past or a reincarnation of TC? Guess we will know in a few months!!

Hi! Welcome back Mr KABC!!!

dlbpharmd wrote:

SO - if Linden was in some kind of "stupefied state," and physically removed the ring from Covenant's hand, why does SRD say "wait and see"?

It seems to me that if someone can be in the land, acting and reacting, and all the while our bodies are doing things in the "stupefied state," then wouldn't that have a major impact on the reality/unreality of the Land, or the real world of TCTC?

Perhaps, everytime someone like TC or LA translate from the real world of TCTC to the Land (or back) the real world and the Land become linked more closely. If so, is it possible for someone to use a caesure to send someone to the real world? Could LA use a caesure to go back and stop the knife from killing TC at the bonfire at Haven Farm? Is this how TC has been resurrected?

I know this could cause all kinds of temporal paradoxes...so maybe it's just moot anyway

Creator wrote:Hi! Welcome back Mr KABC!!!

Thank you Creator!

And yes, I do believe in YOU and not the Worm of the World's End...

Spoiler

I was under the impression that she resurrected "Timewarden" Covenant, she didn't bring him from the past. (Hence the bit about the laws of life and death written in the staff)

The same way Hollian was resurrected. This makes a lot of sense to me, because there was always something ominous about the breaking of the law of life, and its yet another catastrophic consequence of the rape of Lena. (Atiaran summons Hile Troy - Hile Troy breaks the law of life - Lindon further weakens the law and zaps Covenant back to corporeal life)

And no, he wouldn't have his ring with him Lindon has it.

[Spoilered by Seareach...I know, Dreaming...I'm being inconsistent with this whole spoiler thing. Sorry!]