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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 11:08 pm
by drew
It Jimmy playing drums for Billy?
I hope so.

Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 11:16 pm
by Lord Mhoram
drew,

On at least one track, yes.

Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 11:18 pm
by drew
I liked Adore and all, but it was good to have him back on Machines -eh?

Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 11:20 pm
by Lord Mhoram
I agree. He is an amazing drummer. I think Billy saved him by kicking him out of the band and in effect forcing him into rehab et al. Pumpkins songs with him drumming have just such an extra dynamic.

Corgan described the new album as "guitar driven, but not hard," so think Mayonaise from "Siamese Dream." :)

Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 11:23 pm
by drew
Siamese Dream is up there on the top 5 list of albums that helped me survive adolesence!!
I had a chance to see them play one of their last gigs ever. In My Home Town!!!-They Played with Our Lady Peace and Full Circle and some others in an outdoor concert-but alas, I had to work :(

Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 11:30 pm
by Lord Mhoram
Ah, that's too bad.

Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 10:46 am
by I'm Murrin
99 tracks? Wow.
Yet another I'll have to get.

Hmm. I've been wondering if there are other rarer CDs I should try and find - I only have Gish, Siamese Dream, Pisces Iscariot, Mellon Collie, Adore, Machina, Machina II, and Rotten Apples/Judas O. There seem to be a lot of others - know of any that are particularly good?

Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 12:36 pm
by drew
There's the Airplane flyes High, I think it's mostly B-Sides and stuff.

They have a song on the 'Singles's soundtrack-one of my fav's.

Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 2:09 pm
by Lord Mhoram
Murrin,

Aeroplane Flies High is awesome. Get it! :D It's out of print, but with 5 discs of all the A-sides off Mellon Collie plus tons of b-sides and covers, it's one of their best releases. Where did you get Machina II?! I have no idea where to get it. And btw, Rolling Stone reports there are actually 114 tracks: their tracklist is longer.

drew,

"Drown" is a great song, isn't it?

Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 2:53 pm
by I'm Murrin
Machina II I only have in MP3 form, alas. Downloaded it from spifc.org

Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 6:05 pm
by Brinn
NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'll be getting both immediately upon release!!!

Thanks for the info LM!!!!

Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 6:06 pm
by Lord Mhoram
:D I knew you'd be excited Brinn.

Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 11:23 pm
by drew
Lord Mhoram wrote:..drew,

"Drown" is a great song, isn't it?
Most people I know hate the feeddback Ending
I alwaysthought it was incredubly creative, and sounded great.

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 2:50 pm
by Brinn
Hey wait a minute!!! That link you provided seems to indicate that the Rarities and B-Sides will only be released digitally and will not be done in CD format. Is that true?!?!?! I don't have an MP3 player!! WTF!!!!

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 3:14 pm
by I'm Murrin
...more than 200 Pumpkins' songs will be made available digitally through online music stores on April 5th, including their six studio albums and dozens of B-sides.

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 8:35 pm
by Lord Mhoram
Brinn,

I'm pretty sure that what Murrin just quoted from and the actual rarities collection are two different things. This link seems to indicate that it's an actual album.

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 12:21 pm
by I'm Murrin
Everything I read suggests it's just the song collection becoming available online. 227 songs total, 114 of them not from their albums.

They're available now, discount rates for a short time I believe.
sib1.od2.com/common/Framework.aspx?shid=0170002E
sib1.od2.com/common/Framework.aspx?shid=0170002E

They don't appear to be available to download as an album - you have to buy tracks individually.

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 8:38 pm
by Lord Mhoram
Murrin,

Then what's the cover for? I'm very confused by this whole thing lol

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 8:41 pm
by I'm Murrin
I'm not sure. They may just be using it to categorise everything outside the album releases. I'm as confused as you, really.

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 9:51 pm
by Lord Mhoram
Guys,

Perhaps it is online-only, as I've checked Amazon.com and there is no Rarities & B-sides collection for Smashing Pumpkins listed there. Surely, if Amazon doesn't have it, then it must not be out there. :?

If anyone gets any info please post it here! I would really like to know.

Murrin,
114 of them not from their albums.

The last 13 songs listed are from the Earphoria live/misc. album that I own; severalof them are from Pisces Iscariot and still others from The Aeroplane Flies High.